a choice selection

St Basil also wrote this, and he is a Catholic saint

But a further rumour has reached me that you are in Antioch, and are transacting the business in hand with the chief authorities. And, besides this, I have heard that the brethren who are of the party of Paulinus are entering on some discussion with your excellency on the subject of union with us; and by "us" I mean those who are supporters of the blessed man of God, Meletius. I hear, moreover, that the Paulinians are carrying about a letter of the Westerns assigning to them the episcopate of the Church in Antioch, but speaking under a false impression of Meletius, the admirable bishop of the true Church of God. I am not astonished at this ... But I shall never be able to persuade myself on these grounds to ignore Meletius, or to forget the Church which is under him, or to treat as small, and of little importance to the true religion, the questions which originated the division. I shall never consent to give in, merely because somebody is very much elated at receiving a letter from men.

but I'm naturally looking forward to the obligatory "but they're just Saints, they can make mistakes too"

Let us also not forget the fact that Catholics canonised Orthodox saints who vehemently rejected Catholicism. So there is literally no reason to be Catholic at all, and any claim by any Catholic that Orthodoxy is illegitimate is just bogus

I cannot argue against this

my faith stands in confirmation.

@Epic Style You orthodox?

Even if i wanted to turn orthodox hypothetically, i still must follow my patriarch which is in Rome even if he is wrong

If your letter is truth then the other patriarch was wrong

this kills the Catholic

Same shit with different color

@blanc the Patriarch of Rome is out of communion with the Orthodox patriarchates lmao

for the past 1000 years it has been so

nice try with the gotcha but no

Yeah one day they will be reunited i hope

@Panikooooos <:Yes:639977935209627658>

And i will follow whatever you follow

the only way they will be reunited is if Catholics repent and convert

Where is the Western orthodox patriarch anyway?

Because Orthodoxy will never bend its knee to anyone but God

I need not attempt in this connection an exposition of the origin and character of those economic theories and political philosophies of the post-war period, that have directly and indirectly exerted, and are still exerting, their pernicious influence on the institutions and beliefs connected with one of the most widely-spread and best organized religious systems of the world. It is with their influence rather than with their origin that I am chiefly concerned. The excessive growth of industrialism and its attendant evils—as the aforementioned quotation bears witness—the aggressive policies initiated and the persistent efforts exerted by the inspirers and organizers of the Communist movement; the intensification of a militant nationalism, associated in certain countries with a systematized work of defamation against all forms of ecclesiastical influence, have no doubt contributed to the de-Christianization of the masses, and been responsible for a notable decline in the authority, the prestige and power of the Church. “The whole conception of God,” the persecutors of the Christian Religion have insistently proclaimed, “is a conception derived from the ancient oriental despotisms. It is a conception quite unworthy of free men.” “Religion,” one of their leaders has asserted, “is an opiate of the people.” “Religion,” declares the text of their official publications, “is a brutalization of the people. Education must be so directed as to efface from the people’s minds this humiliation and this idiocy.”

well the ROCOR, the AOC, et al, all follow the Moscow Patriarchate

why not read the words common to this day

from he you have awaited

you don't have to be Russian to follow the Russian patriarch

If you're American you can still abide by their rules

and evidently, as Catholics have made it out canonically, you do not have to be Catholic to be a saint.

so there is no reason to be a Catholic in the first place

you can literally reject the Pope, and be sainted

Arent there western saints among the orthodox too?

none that I know.

feel free to prove me wrong

Sounds unfair let me look

If you're referring to people like St Augustine, then they lived prior to the schism

ye prefer to argue among brothers of what happened many generations ago and deafen your ears and blindly not read the words of which he promised he would give you upon return

Apparently for the orthodox saints are all who are in Heaven

well there are different layers of Sainthood, naturally

@Eternal Entropy you can't even capitalize "He", what is there to discuss with you?