Message from @Daddy

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2019-11-24 17:00:09 UTC  

and Cato and the Optimates opposed it

2019-11-24 17:00:11 UTC  

I only know late empire

2019-11-24 17:00:24 UTC  

Not every expansion is a good expansion given the time

2019-11-24 17:00:29 UTC  

Yes!

2019-11-24 17:00:38 UTC  

Aulus Gabinius was a Roman senator who was appointed Governor of Syria

2019-11-24 17:00:54 UTC  

Deciding what to conquer was a VERY complicates shit, return of investment kinda shit

2019-11-24 17:00:56 UTC  

around the time that Caesar was in Gaul, Gabinius was putting down revolts in Judea

2019-11-24 17:01:10 UTC  

and also invaded Egypt when Ptolemy XII was overthrown by his daughter

2019-11-24 17:01:19 UTC  

he also attempted to intervene in a Parthian succession war

2019-11-24 17:01:22 UTC  

Scotland was decided not worth it, even tho they DID conquer it they left cause of that

2019-11-24 17:01:39 UTC  

anyway my point is none of those were wars of expansionism

2019-11-24 17:01:42 UTC  

can't get involved in every single conflict, sending romans off to die

2019-11-24 17:01:53 UTC  

Jews should have been purged like the britons

2019-11-24 17:02:01 UTC  

Gabinius had to go into Egypt to put Ptolemy XII back into power in order to secure the grain supply

2019-11-24 17:02:10 UTC  

Or sabinians

2019-11-24 17:02:11 UTC  

which Cato and Cicero opposed

2019-11-24 17:02:12 UTC  

Fuckers

2019-11-24 17:02:21 UTC  

and which Pompey ordered in the first place

2019-11-24 17:02:31 UTC  

regardless, to say Optimates opposed all expansion is absurd

2019-11-24 17:03:04 UTC  

and then Cato and Cicero tried to prosecute Gabinius

2019-11-24 17:03:13 UTC  

in about 5 I've gotta meet contractors

2019-11-24 17:03:22 UTC  

but Caesar ordered Cicero to be the defense attorney of Gabinius

2019-11-24 17:03:41 UTC  

which goes back to my earlier point that Cicero was a snake that couldn't be trusted

2019-11-24 17:03:47 UTC  

which is why literally no one liked him

2019-11-24 17:03:57 UTC  

and his actions during the Catiline Conspiracy

2019-11-24 17:04:10 UTC  

and then later betraying Octavian, were the direct reasons for why he was executed

2019-11-24 17:04:20 UTC  

I'd have to read up on it

2019-11-24 17:04:26 UTC  

to confirm or deny that

2019-11-24 17:04:38 UTC  

I am saying it happened

2019-11-24 17:04:41 UTC  

it is already confirmed

2019-11-24 17:04:47 UTC  

I'm not sure it happened as you said it did

2019-11-24 17:04:53 UTC  

or extra context

2019-11-24 17:04:54 UTC  

what part?

2019-11-24 17:04:57 UTC  

it happened exactly

2019-11-24 17:05:13 UTC  

if there's extra context then I can't know which part obviously

2019-11-24 17:05:14 UTC  

Cicero was constantly going back and forth between Cato et all and Caesar

2019-11-24 17:05:32 UTC  

which is the reason no one wanted him in the conspiracy to kill Caesar

2019-11-24 17:05:59 UTC  

and later on he had Octavian convince Antony to go north to besiege one of the assassins

2019-11-24 17:06:09 UTC  

alright I'm going to meet with contractors

2019-11-24 17:06:12 UTC  

so Cicero and Octavian declared Antony an outlaw

2019-11-24 17:06:47 UTC  

and then when Octavian went to go fight Antony, he puleld the rug under Octavian and tried to take over Rome, declaring Octavian an outlaw