Message from @untergang

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2019-12-09 08:08:58 UTC  

That's what a state is
Atleast in it's initial stages
We seek protection and pay for it with freedoms

2019-12-09 08:09:07 UTC  

It will not be centralized monopolistic force

2019-12-09 08:09:13 UTC  

no

2019-12-09 08:09:20 UTC  

Why go through all this trouble when Western states could just you know

2019-12-09 08:09:22 UTC  

there still needs to be organization otherwise you have basket ball americandom

2019-12-09 08:09:23 UTC  

its the monopolistic agent of force

2019-12-09 08:09:24 UTC  

Stop listening to Jews

2019-12-09 08:09:29 UTC  

Hah

2019-12-09 08:09:34 UTC  

why would they

2019-12-09 08:09:45 UTC  

You gonna pay them through taxes either way

2019-12-09 08:09:48 UTC  

Arab states don't listen to Jews

2019-12-09 08:09:51 UTC  

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2019-12-09 08:09:54 UTC  

So clearly it's not just about states

2019-12-09 08:10:09 UTC  

Except saudis allied with Israel..

2019-12-09 08:10:16 UTC  

Big brained

2019-12-09 08:10:32 UTC  

house of saud

2019-12-09 08:10:39 UTC  

There has to be a monopoly
Unless you are proposing a non-autocratic one

2019-12-09 08:10:45 UTC  

No

2019-12-09 08:10:51 UTC  

i hear they may be the richest family in the world

2019-12-09 08:10:52 UTC  

monopoly leads to degeneration

2019-12-09 08:11:07 UTC  

Force can only exist as a monopoly

2019-12-09 08:11:09 UTC  

it always does, thats why the state devolves

2019-12-09 08:11:11 UTC  

Wrong

2019-12-09 08:11:37 UTC  

Explain

2019-12-09 08:11:37 UTC  

A monopoly of force will simply multiply to infinity

2019-12-09 08:11:42 UTC  

the civil war was the worse thing that happened to american unitl WW2

2019-12-09 08:11:57 UTC  

Its to the benefit of the state that they agress morw

2019-12-09 08:12:01 UTC  

and of course, the other obvious problems

2019-12-09 08:12:02 UTC  

Monopoly and force are synonymous

2019-12-09 08:12:14 UTC  

because of the civil ware

2019-12-09 08:12:16 UTC  

Force may be used to uphold monopoƱy

2019-12-09 08:12:24 UTC  

Are they same? no

2019-12-09 08:12:34 UTC  

it set presedence for the lessening of state rights

2019-12-09 08:12:39 UTC  

due to the outcome

2019-12-09 08:12:42 UTC  

We can have decentralized force

2019-12-09 08:12:48 UTC  

yeah

2019-12-09 08:12:49 UTC  

we can

2019-12-09 08:12:52 UTC  

Where each property owner is a locus of power

2019-12-09 08:12:54 UTC  

but you know who can't

2019-12-09 08:12:56 UTC  

Force can only be top down , no?
ie a monopoly

2019-12-09 08:13:00 UTC  

you know the problem in