or what god would want

Morality comes from man, and man alone.

This is why religion and morals come from God

discovering is not the same as inventing

man with his ego will endlessly debate these things never getting anywhere

It may well be a product or our biology, perhaps intended by God, perhaps not.

and it's not the same as subjective

Believing in subjective morality without God is still less illogical than thinking you can prove objective morality without God

Yes

and since man is not universal, no morals will be found as such

When did I assert objective morality?

I didnt

Banjod does

Perhaps not.

and he proves it by saying "you're soooo slow" and "I just know" a lot

Selfish genes?

it requires a level of honesty you rpobably don't have

Maybe we do literally just know.

that's the problem

Maybe we're literally programmed to have certain moral beliefs.

You either got it, or you don't

yes

but God knows what is best, he knows like a father is wise over his children and guides them with advice for their own wellbeing.
Children at first don't listen, but eventually they see his love and wisdom and their ears open and their minds expand as gifts unto themselves.

@Weaboo Kempeitai that would still imply biological wiring, and biological components are not a valid foundation for morality

evolution is arbitrary

Some ideas are just too difficult to articulate without misrepresenting them.

I think biology can explain morality.

then it's a shitty idea

Biology can explain subjective morality

but not objective morality

Yes, there is no objective morality. It seems like Banjod is wrong there.

my subjective morality is the objective reality

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lol

the problem comes from thinking you should invent them

or that god has them

it's if god was real

waht would he do

Subjective morals can be explained by evolution but there is no morality that exists independent of our minds. I don't see it.

morals comes from teh best results

biology can explain it's imperatives and emergent functions. This you can make arguments for dogmatic morals but it can't be used to prove or justify universal morality