That is false

Using force alone doesnt make you the state

(How does mutual defense and sovereignty works lol??)

Because if that was the case a robber is the state

Or a murderer

it doesn't but that's how you undermine these semantic retards

Or a rapist

It takes more than just using force

if that was the only force around

it would be a state

see

Imagine still falling for Billy Ray's trolling

they cannot help themselves

you either dictate or get dictated too, there is no middle ground option. @Chawosaurian
You simply lack the backbone to assert this based on objective morals.

a state can be characterized as a robber

it's the top robber

Even in a free world, the elite will have considerable influence

Everyone gets dictated. By their genes.

Free will is a myth

And may dictate to some

Anybody have the invite to Kenneth browns discord?

It is merely the question how its selected for

@❀Rare Birb❀ ?

how did monkey evolve to mutually assure defense and provide defense without contracts and currency? And the hierarchies that result? You can see theirs as our's more primal "State"

Not quite

It's just fucking mutual defense. We grant to one another first in tribal then extendedly. However more extendedly requiring better scaling tools to rule (law)

They still lack a monopoly of force humans have built

a state doesn't need to be secure and have a complete monopoly to exist

we rationalized and made social arguments for them which atheists debate now and will eternally.

This is ingrained, you usually don't need to explain why you (a man) have a duty to save your mother being mugged. Then your sister. Cousin. Neighbor (who's likely a close cousin)

@WonderNab(Copepilled) nani

but the point is, some people emerge with force right away under any scenario

Kek its not just mutual defense when one of your fellow cofenders gets to attack you at will

then you have the those that follow God and morals are a done deal.

With legitimacy

And by a resulting hierarchy, you have a state

Sorry to bother, did you send the invite to Kenneth browns server?

Need back in

legitimacy is not necessary

what

Without it