we have memes

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lol, maybe the mutant stuff is true

what stuff?

the Dutton stuff

oh, spiteful mutant

i believe it to be true

I actually sent a big dm to Hector last morning about why I didn't think that it had really strong explanatory power

but idk

lol

it could be the cause if the disaster

Any absolute is hard to work with

i mean, you've heard of libshit politics described as "politics of resentment" before, yeh?

yeah

yeah, well that sort of politics come courtesy of spiteful mutants

1. The changes in conditions brought about by the Industrial Revolution as they affect human survival would have been most effective at reducing selection pressures based on constitution and vulnerability to disease: it is not obvious how the IR would, in an immediate sense, strongly influence selection pressures based on personality traits, certainly not the personality traits which you describe - extrovertedness etc., since the mechanisms by which these traits confer a reproductive advantage are intact today.
2. I haven't been presented with a plausible narrative for for why these traits, which would seem to confer a reproductive advantage both before the IR, during the dynamic period of the IR, and today, have significantly shifted with respect to their being under selection.
3. Its obvious that the human psyche, and the behavioral and cognitive tendencies which it produces, are highly sensitive to its environment, extremely so during the developmental period - we need look no further than cases of child sexual abuse and its affect on the psyche of developing people, or cases of PTSD in adults to illustrate this.
4. The changes in social systems, social norms, public morality, education, access to substances, and urban life brought about by the Industrial Revolution must be admitted to be conditions which are extremely different from the world before, and so must certainly produce differences in the psyches and behavior of humans, independently of whether the genome is shifting significantly with respect to inclination to those behaviors.
5. We can observe, in ancient authors, and descriptions of ancient people, many of the personality traits and moral failings that we observe in people today and which you ascribe to mutations - atheism, introvertedness, homosexuality, egalitarianism et cetera, can all be found among the characters of Plato's dialogues - it appears that humans, long before the mass upset of the IR, have been exhibiting

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i'd like to observe all those traits and failings in Plato's time

in person

see what it looked liked

first hand

yeah

Nature is intelligence. Look at the risk a bird would undertake to feed his mate. Do you think that the bird doesn't know its a trap?

hmmm

Lol, why was the second bird not contributing? These birds are socialists.

he may not understand what a trap is, but yeah he may understand that if the stick gets knocked away he'd be trapped

birds understand physics

to a degree that I find incredible

Especially Ravens.

insert crow displacing water video

u think it's cause they fly?

lol

The gulls here pick up mullusks and drop them from very high up to break them open

could be, idk what it is exactly

but they often seem smarter than monkeys

they can recognize faces too

and patterns like days of the week

eg trash day in certain streets

Also
We have an invasive species here called a zebra mussel
And they are toxic to the gulls
But they don't know it when they are born
Because they aren't native
So old ones will fight younger ones when they try to eat it

nice

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cbSu2PXOTOc