Can I hold government

No

yes you could

@Epic Style
thats actually my point,
Morals are fluid.
We need an ethnic state
so we have the ethnic common interests
..people need a reason to have morality
and not just *muh religion*
and that reason is the ethnic reason

go to the Senate

I can hold a nuclear football

thats a building

there are lots of governments which you can hold

not the government

Thats the distinction

you have the representatives from all across the country

tell them to hold you

Thats just the reps

it is an unnecessary distinction

lol

Than morals are real

then ask the president and his cabinet to hold you

and the distinction of abstract is unnecessary

Again

and everyone else for that matter

@Emperor of Atlantis

Any society... creates new morals every fucking week.
If people start to care about society again
then people will be more natural
and common sense
about *morals*

They arent the government

Its abstract

The president is a person

sure but that doesn't mean morals are real

The senate a building

I am the senate

So government is abstract and doesnt really exist

we don't need to understand things via morals, that is just an unnecessary mechanism that we use to trick people

But we treat it as a real entity

everything is a simple mechanism

x leads to y leads to z

And we treat morals as a real system

@Emperor of Atlantis

*perfect* morals are not real.
Morality as something common sense
and fluid is absolutely *real*

Everything is a simple mechanism?

government is mass delusion

like race

Is that a simple mechanism?

and then we pretend that the reason is morals to justify the existence of these mechanisms

like anything

Wait