and the distinction of abstract is unnecessary

Again

and everyone else for that matter

@Emperor of Atlantis

Any society... creates new morals every fucking week.
If people start to care about society again
then people will be more natural
and common sense
about *morals*

They arent the government

Its abstract

The president is a person

sure but that doesn't mean morals are real

The senate a building

I am the senate

So government is abstract and doesnt really exist

we don't need to understand things via morals, that is just an unnecessary mechanism that we use to trick people

But we treat it as a real entity

everything is a simple mechanism

x leads to y leads to z

And we treat morals as a real system

@Emperor of Atlantis

*perfect* morals are not real.
Morality as something common sense
and fluid is absolutely *real*

Everything is a simple mechanism?

government is mass delusion

like race

Is that a simple mechanism?

and then we pretend that the reason is morals to justify the existence of these mechanisms

like anything

Wait

No

What is the basis for simple mechanisms

Before God made morals

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Morals never stood on themselves

all secular morals try to stand on reason

some morality stands on the race

For something to be true it must follow the laws of logic

all morals stand on reason

@Emperor of Atlantis

yes, if people care about other people ..
people are social and there are no morals
other than our relationships to other people
and maybe some personal promise to ourselves.

U agree with this?

sometimes the reasons aren't any good

and it collapses

Kek

No

because people easily see through the illusion

Does Divine morals stand on reason