morality is a product of force.

Nothing is inherently evil when you're a moral relativist <:ahem:639979147782914084>

Yes

Correct

I honestly don't get the moral framing a lot of the time

who cares, morals aren't even real

Lol

In that sense

the state is not an evil either, at least not inherently, since there have been many good states - the modern state however is evil of course

I would say morality is your will
and the social norms are the collective will
is what society force on people

they just exist to trick gullible human animals

rights arent real

"morals aren't real, here's why it's good to have an ethnostate"

Governments arent real

and to use their instinct for herd mentality

They are just an abstrat concept

governments are real

No

governors are real

They are just people

the governors are

yes lol

the government isnt

they are governors who govern

Yes the governors are real

morals are an abstract concept that could be anything whenever you want them to be

But the government is an abstract concept

I can't hold morals

give me some morals to hold

Can I hold government

No

yes you could

@Epic Style
thats actually my point,
Morals are fluid.
We need an ethnic state
so we have the ethnic common interests
..people need a reason to have morality
and not just *muh religion*
and that reason is the ethnic reason

go to the Senate

I can hold a nuclear football

thats a building

there are lots of governments which you can hold

not the government

Thats the distinction

you have the representatives from all across the country

tell them to hold you