force obviously is not inherently evil, since the great moral Emperors and Kings of history enforced order and justice by force

exactly

We have nukes so we should nuke the countries we consider evil

its a natural part of the human world

I have always been for more law and order
and I dont like all the gay stuff or the perversion.
But I have always been for sexual and social
liberty... except for rape, harassment
and authority figures sexually exploiting on girls etc.

if force is immoral then how did Hadrian get rid of the Jews?

moral force dependent on gods will can be authoritative

Its not force

Its Aggression

That is the problem

sight...force is not immoral...

That semantic is extremely important

morality is a product of force.

Nothing is inherently evil when you're a moral relativist <:ahem:639979147782914084>

Yes

Correct

I honestly don't get the moral framing a lot of the time

who cares, morals aren't even real

Lol

In that sense

the state is not an evil either, at least not inherently, since there have been many good states - the modern state however is evil of course

I would say morality is your will
and the social norms are the collective will
is what society force on people

they just exist to trick gullible human animals

rights arent real

"morals aren't real, here's why it's good to have an ethnostate"

Governments arent real

and to use their instinct for herd mentality

They are just an abstrat concept

governments are real

No

governors are real

They are just people

the governors are

yes lol

the government isnt

they are governors who govern

Yes the governors are real

morals are an abstract concept that could be anything whenever you want them to be

But the government is an abstract concept

I can't hold morals

give me some morals to hold