to some degree

well sex is an innate driver for all human action, or nearly all

I dont have a problem with this..
I just think I am compensating... because I dont have sex

Nobody cares what ugly women say.

They're not listening

Maybe nobody is really listening to pretty women either tho.....

I just think "natural" sexual relationships can be supplanted in a more effective way via some type of technology

to be honest.. I dont think the sluts appear to be horrible people
I think they appear to be kind and normal
like everyone else.
I think the sexually active people appear to have healthy sexual and non
sexual relationships.

and it could potentially be liberated if we could engineer those motivations out of humanity. I think viewing sex as purely hedonistic would be very toxic for society

@Smoke

I agree that technology exists..

I think hedonism is misunderstood.

well, loyal married men realize how little they care to talk to women lol

I dont have any right to advocate for hedonism
because I dont have sex.
But I dont think the drive for pleasure
is what makes people lazy

Why don't you have sex?

sure, the carrot just needs to be in the right direction. The right societal structures need to be in place

,,,if you are actually talking about hedonism..
Most hedonistic societies where monogamious..
they had sex with one person but liked porn..alot

Not Rome

At least, at the end

I have problems accepting pleasure for pleasures sake. It should be a motivator for a higher state of personal/societal being

Rome was not a hedonistic society.

Sex isn't for pleasure's sake. Babies are time consuming.

There was a hedonist philosopher who married
his sex slave.

What do you consider to be a "hedonistic society" than?

a society which is open about sex and information
about how to make sex to give more pleasure

I think a lot of philosophers talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. You can say you live for pleasure only, all day long. Doesn't mean anything

Societies with instruction manuals for sex
and where they talk about how to do it...

India

But I don't think they're hedonistic.

India was monogamious

I'd consider a hedonistic society to be one that has structures of motivation that guide people/society to lower states of being

Not in the north

well... the hedonistic books are assuming martial relationship

philosophers are cope

people should be open about sex and pleasure.

Are they? I don't think they are.

yes lol

they kind of are but oh well lol

easy mode believe in a higher power

it is good up to a point

No, I didn't mean philosophers. I meant the books from India

India was a complex society.
The upper class had sex pallaces..
but most people only had sex with one person.