Message from @fuguer

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2020-01-16 18:24:11 UTC  

Cancer is one such example

2020-01-16 18:24:13 UTC  

abortion kink made it possible

2020-01-16 18:24:14 UTC  

Despite you and I being in the same group, we are individually different and competing with each other, are we not?

2020-01-16 18:24:20 UTC  
2020-01-16 18:24:31 UTC  

what does "selfishly" even mean?

2020-01-16 18:24:34 UTC  

is cancer not a group?

2020-01-16 18:24:38 UTC  

ok, go on

2020-01-16 18:24:43 UTC  

lmao

2020-01-16 18:24:53 UTC  

there was that one cancer that survived his host

2020-01-16 18:24:55 UTC  

Yes selfishly is just semantics poor choice of words on my part attempting to simplify things

2020-01-16 18:24:57 UTC  

u compete with sibblings too and yet not too too

2020-01-16 18:25:19 UTC  

It's that you and I share enough in common with each other that working with each confers a fitness gain. But we still have lots of variance and are competing with each other.

2020-01-16 18:25:24 UTC  

maybe the question is senseless

2020-01-16 18:25:49 UTC  

Right now, we are being selected for k selection within the population. As the group, we are being selected for ethnocentrism.

2020-01-16 18:25:59 UTC  

It is such a beautiful theory.

2020-01-16 18:26:07 UTC  

in general is our modus operandi mutual benefit

2020-01-16 18:26:16 UTC  

You could argue with close kin you’re better off working together even if your kin has 4 children and you have 1, that’s actually better for your genes as a whole than if you had say 2-3 kids

2020-01-16 18:26:39 UTC  

And the other had 0

2020-01-16 18:27:01 UTC  

Group selection is super vast

2020-01-16 18:27:25 UTC  

Culture, ethnicity, ideologue, and etc. are group selected for.

2020-01-16 18:27:28 UTC  

The value of the his group approach falls off exponentially as genetic distance and group size increases

2020-01-16 18:27:48 UTC  

Soldiers, termites, and otters all use a different type of group selection.

2020-01-16 18:28:04 UTC  

in the end, there's not exactly one mechanism, but only a theoretical construct and a probability

2020-01-16 18:28:39 UTC  

99.999% of termites DO NOT mate themselves. But they all protect the queen and replicate through her. Millions of ants protecting one queen.

2020-01-16 18:28:47 UTC  

and that might be, why objects and mechanism are the domain of rope theorists

2020-01-16 18:29:19 UTC  

And you get massive fitness pay offs for it. One ant on its own is worthless. But they are super complex as a super organism and are tuned to be optimized.

2020-01-16 18:29:43 UTC  

@TuerSchlossEnteiser i am going to be honest, the rope theory of light seems to be cope to me

2020-01-16 18:30:01 UTC  

and?

2020-01-16 18:30:13 UTC  

ants are literally the opposite of a good group selection example

2020-01-16 18:30:35 UTC  

nope

2020-01-16 18:30:44 UTC  

pros use bees

2020-01-16 18:30:58 UTC  

Nah, pros would actually use termites.

2020-01-16 18:31:26 UTC  

I just forgot. But I did mention it earlier. but they all make the same point.

2020-01-16 18:32:16 UTC  

@Nerthulas did you see all I wrote? Did we get anywhere?

2020-01-16 18:32:39 UTC  

no

2020-01-16 18:33:12 UTC  

no

2020-01-16 18:33:20 UTC  

no

2020-01-16 18:33:34 UTC  

ur a sperg and group selection has no value

2020-01-16 18:33:59 UTC  

Spergor

2020-01-16 18:34:08 UTC  

I am not a sperg. Unironically, I can't wait until all the shit posters and spergs get finished selected against.

2020-01-16 18:34:21 UTC  

finished selected?