in regards to what you think I need to know

to understand your evidence

or proofs

this is logic bro

there is a logical connection

I have proof of these nummerical meanings
by centuries and centuries

Its the same in christianity with the zodiak symbols
just all the way to the greeks to the mesompotamians

ok so 12 is important historically

yes we get that

and 12 got 4 and 3 in it

4 seasons, 4 directions, 4 parts of the cross

how is this proof of anything

beyond MAYBE as an influence

..sights...

which is not a guilt admition

you know that logic is about us begining with
information, adding more information
etc

again religion adopts from surrounding cultures and assists in making new also

it's impossible to think otherwise

so I still don't know why this is vital

the Messiah is zodiak sun symbol..
and the character changes a little
but Jesus is dying because he is a symbol of the harvest
and the winder.
the sun raise again so there will be a new harvest the next year.
the body of christ is the bread = wheat

and the wine = also a agricultural symbol
found again and again

yea, you have a stong will to paganize the bible which it clearly isn't and teaches against it's practice

there is a strong correlation between wine and agriculture.
over and over again

this is just terrence Mc'kenna talking points

I see what your intentions are now

there are Christian historians who agree with me.
Christianity represents agriculture

just leave evidence here in a short paragraph please.

I'll check when you have

...huh?

otherwise I see what your intent is and then it's going to boil down too what we want to believe

because no evidence has been clearly given

the wine and bread thing goes back to many different religion.
and they all say that if you consume the agricultural products
you become part of the diety or community

and had you read the bible maybe you might have a comparative text to refute your own beliefs

but you haven't

there are bread and wine cults in mesopotamia

...........

and believe it's all paganism adopted

paganism is just a name..

I read the bible I just dont believe it...

which is obsurd if you know history AND the contents of the bible

then you should readily realize that it's not adopted paganism