Message from @Skellington

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2020-02-03 20:29:21 UTC  

Btw Zeon did nothing wrong

2020-02-03 20:29:42 UTC  

whats so bad about sola scriptura. all that means is that all that's necessary for salvation is contained within scripture

2020-02-03 20:30:01 UTC  

i dont see why catholics disagree with this

2020-02-03 20:30:14 UTC  

because whenever we debate practices

2020-02-03 20:30:21 UTC  

they always use the bible to justify what they do

2020-02-03 20:30:37 UTC  

Something something papal infallibility in case he's speaking ex cathedra

2020-02-03 20:30:49 UTC  

they try to justify the traditions of church through scripture

2020-02-03 20:30:55 UTC  

protestants just disagree

2020-02-03 20:32:50 UTC  

the council

2020-02-03 20:37:08 UTC  

The main strength about catholicism and orthodoxy is the strength that comes from organizing, however treating it as anything other than an administrative issue has lead to all sorts of nonsense

2020-02-03 20:37:53 UTC  

I think something broke when imperial authority over the church was sidelined

2020-02-03 20:38:00 UTC  

It gave it more cohesion

2020-02-03 20:38:19 UTC  

And stopped stuff like a bishop callign himself infallible and whantnot

2020-02-03 20:40:19 UTC  

In a way I dislike dogma not that I necessarily disagree with its points about morality but because it's not flexible
I'm a strong believer in good being something real but intangible and belief in this would sort of be a self correcting mechanism

2020-02-03 20:40:34 UTC  

Getting hung up on the details is just a corrosive thing for society

2020-02-03 20:40:57 UTC  

I'm not a christian so I don't agree but fine

2020-02-03 20:41:43 UTC  

the thing about dogma is what keeps me from the catholics as well

2020-02-03 20:41:57 UTC  

like i hate marian devotion and veneration of the saints

2020-02-03 20:42:01 UTC  

Well yes but you don't have access to the literal word of god just writings about what Jesus said etc.

2020-02-03 20:42:10 UTC  

i really do think its idolatry

2020-02-03 20:42:24 UTC  

but i cant be catholic and not believe that

2020-02-03 20:42:37 UTC  

In principle even to a christian good is mostly intangible

2020-02-03 20:42:42 UTC  

You have some orientation

2020-02-03 20:42:47 UTC  

But not all the answers

2020-02-03 20:42:58 UTC  

also some other disagreements

2020-02-03 20:43:03 UTC  

but they are more minor

2020-02-03 20:43:29 UTC  

dosent the catholic church roundly condemn the death penalty as well

2020-02-03 20:43:32 UTC  

I don't care about the veneration of saints but it allowed for pagans to convert to the church by rebranding gods and whatnot

2020-02-03 20:43:44 UTC  

thats exactly the problem though

2020-02-03 20:44:23 UTC  

it was something that evolved out of conviencence and then catholics have to argue that its totally 100% scriptural

2020-02-03 20:45:46 UTC  

I think the veneration of saints is kind of ppl coping with their monotheistic beliefs when ppl have tendencies going both towards unity of god/good and multiplicitousness

2020-02-03 20:45:54 UTC  

Same thing with the trinity

2020-02-03 20:46:32 UTC  

It's not a blatant violation of monotheism per se but definitely an expression of pagan mindsets

2020-02-03 20:49:44 UTC  

Yes morality to a degree is intuitive

2020-02-03 20:50:00 UTC  

Which is why I'm saying it's intangible

2020-02-03 20:50:15 UTC  

Striving for virtue is the main path towards it

2020-02-03 20:52:17 UTC  

That's why muslims call trinitarianism paganism
The intuitive way to express an unkowable god is to say he is unknowable, not to lay out a complex multiplictious nature of him which ppl can understand

2020-02-03 21:18:49 UTC  

not sure if anyone has explained this

2020-02-03 21:18:59 UTC  

the criteria for inclusion in the new testament wasw

2020-02-03 21:19:16 UTC  

1. it had to be attributed to an Apostle, either directly written by or written on behalf of

2020-02-03 21:19:25 UTC  

2. it had to be widely accepted