Message from @Skellington

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2020-02-03 22:48:15 UTC  

thats a big question

2020-02-03 22:48:19 UTC  

and i have debated quite alot

2020-02-03 22:48:38 UTC  

Arius thought he did. Same with the founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses and so on

2020-02-03 22:48:53 UTC  

Well, I know I cannot answer that question for you

2020-02-03 22:48:59 UTC  

this is the same tactic as atheists being like "there are 2 thousand gods and you think yours is the right one"

2020-02-03 22:49:02 UTC  

so what

2020-02-03 22:49:08 UTC  

so what if people were wrong

2020-02-03 22:49:23 UTC  

But I do suggest reading the pdf I linked. It's worth considering if only for formulating a counter argument.

2020-02-03 22:49:40 UTC  

ok i might read it when i get back from school

2020-02-03 22:49:45 UTC  

Ok

2020-02-03 22:49:51 UTC  

I have to get back to work, lol

2020-02-03 22:50:14 UTC  

God bless, my friend

2020-02-03 22:50:45 UTC  

but alot of what you have been saying is "oh there are a million different interpretations how do you know yours is the right one " this can be used against anything, and we dont accept it when atheists do it

2020-02-03 22:50:53 UTC  

so im not going to accept it when you do it

2020-02-03 22:54:24 UTC  

Well, I guess that's sort of a preamble to the punchline

2020-02-03 22:54:37 UTC  

Which is to say there is a clear and consistent way to determine if the interpretation is correct

2020-02-03 22:55:15 UTC  

the holy spirit guides those that are genuinely seeking

2020-02-03 22:55:17 UTC  

And that is what has the church and all of its consistently holy people throughout a thousand years have agreed upon?

2020-02-03 22:55:26 UTC  

and god forgives us trespasses

2020-02-03 22:55:42 UTC  

for we can never know goodness completely, for only god knows

2020-02-03 22:55:48 UTC  

but we can get into the general ballpark

2020-02-03 22:56:22 UTC  

and this is why catholics sperging about sola scritura is just dumb

2020-02-03 22:56:26 UTC  

they just dont understand it

2020-02-03 22:56:44 UTC  

also sola fide vs works and faith

2020-02-03 22:56:46 UTC  

Real Sola scriptura has never been tried?

2020-02-03 22:56:51 UTC  

Sorry that was

2020-02-03 22:56:54 UTC  

Mean

2020-02-03 22:56:55 UTC  

i try to explain that works come from faith

2020-02-03 22:57:17 UTC  

but they pretend there is a big difference

2020-02-03 22:57:32 UTC  

because they have to dogmatically support church dotrine

2020-02-03 22:57:35 UTC  

doctrine

2020-02-03 22:57:39 UTC  

and cant get over the reformation

2020-02-03 22:57:40 UTC  

anyways

2020-02-03 22:57:45 UTC  

im going to school

2020-02-03 22:57:59 UTC  

Good luck have fun, I will talk with you later because this has been an interesting conversation

2020-02-03 23:25:28 UTC  

Holy shit. Sorry @Skellington I forgot I started this discussion and went with my errands. I really don't know what to think because both sides of the argument have some point. Before I say what might be appealing for me in paganism I would say what makes me doubt Christianity, I will put it short expand later if needed. It is objectively speaking foraging, it was adopted. Certain Christian teachings (but that might the fault of misinterpretation of those teachings by people who are teaching them, so not necessarily teachings themselves), corrupted institution of the church itself, destruction of native culture and history (which in some cases is happening to this very day).
Now, what is appealing in paganism. It is a faith that grew with the people, it is integral part of them and defines who they are. The thing you mentioned about the heretige and culture, native faith (paganism) sanctifies it. To the extent I would even say protects it. It is unique to certain grup and only that grup. Is this how the things are currently with the pagan/paganism? No absolutely not and I understand how rotten and subverted the communities of neopagans are.

2020-02-03 23:31:33 UTC  

Just my opinion.

2020-02-03 23:44:57 UTC  

I will be hitting the hay so unless I'm not sleeping I will respond.

2020-02-03 23:55:36 UTC  

Paganism was adopted at some point

2020-02-03 23:56:02 UTC  

Christianity has grown with European civilization

2020-02-03 23:56:33 UTC  

Of course paganism covers a broad region of religions bit still you know what I mean