When it started becoming secular precisely with te advent of democracy

I mean, how dense do you have to be to try to blame something of what happens precisely with the removal of that thing?

Which was the fault of Franco

I hate fascism and democracy

Pro-tip, you cant curl up in a ball and pray the gay away

Cause if thats your attitude then you're in the wrong church

Violent revolt is also something spoken against by Christ

>Franco is at fault of what happened precisely because he wasn't around any longer

Dunno about Christ's exact words but idolence and aloofness has been called out as sin multiple times

Consider it

National-level table flipping

Romans 13:1-7

**Romans 13:1-7 - King James Version with Apocrypha (KJVA)**

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<1> Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. <2> Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. <3> For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: <4> for he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. <5> Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience' sake. <6> For, for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. <7> Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor. ```

God appoints all rulers

God has no problem with the fact that someone rules, as if ruling was intrinsically evil

Christ himself is mocked by secularists for not defending himself, but died a martyr’s death.

This is not 1st century Jerusalem with the Son of God coming to fulfill prophecies and perform the ultimate sacrifice as a lamb to the slaughter

“‘Where were you God? Why didn’t you ease my temptations and pains?’
And a voice came to him: ‘I was here, but I waited to see you fight’” - The Life of St. Antony

Context

Likewise

Fight how?

With the above excerpt you're effectively advocating for calvinism

Priests and monks aren’t allowed to defend themselves ever

That is also false

Shedding of blood is disqualify of the position

I think I get what Mozalbete wants to say and I think he is right but you can't turn people to God as long as they can avoid the consequences of their degenerate lifestyles in the short and mid run. That's why you need somebody who crashes it all or creates the possibility for you to do so

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Troitsky_monastery

But Dant, what is it that you want to do? You say that we should lead people to God, that is true, but considering our situation, what is it that you want them to do when they have come to God, if it is not to demand and organize the rebirth of a God-fearing society?

Bring them to church. You can’t change a society without conversion.

A change of government without spiritual preparedness gets you nothing

The disciples did not fight physically against Rome, they let their martyrdom be a witness to the people.

In short, what you suggest is democracy

No

You expect people to convert and willingly get us to a godly government

With nothing being forced

Force conversion is not a real conversion

"forced conversion" is a meme used to refer to laws taking the soul into account rather than the body

And who is going to be the absolute monarch?

They could hate God in their heart but outwardly preform rituals

That is like saying that "forced determination that murder is wrong is not actual determination"