he works closely with enemies of the church

I'm not really a fan of Francis, but it's kinda retarded to get offended over shit like this. Obviously he sees more value in holding the meeting than refusing to meet with him, and you are assuming his motivation for doing so.

What does he need to do to prove he's against abortion *to you*

i called them hypocrites, I didn’t sperg at all

I didn’t go on an epic rant

What's so bad about holding a diplomatic meeting that it proves Francis isn't against abortion?

Even if you're an unrepentant modernist, there's certain things you simply can't hope to swing public favour on.

Abortion is one of those.

They bloody well tried, though, damn them all.

@Astro did you forget the 10 bil?

If you don’t think these are double standards and see it as something irrelevant, ok, it’s cool with me

but I frankly don’t enjoy the sheer amount of said double standards from the pontiff

No, I don't see it as a double standard, especially in international politics.

Forgive me if calling Frankie a hypocrite annoyed you

MawLr is right, tbf, His Holiness shouldn't be getting points for reiterating Bread & Butter Catholicism.

I kinda stop caring unless the problem is critical I am still going to go to the pro life marches and donate to them. This pontiff is nothing more than a cup of milk i poured from a week ago

@Based Chav so what does Francis have to do to prove *to you* that he is against abortion?

praying we get a better pope

@The King Of Moab Francis is against abortions

he just does alot of fucking beating around the bush

@LuxCo I agree with you on all that

I didn't say His Holiness *wasn't* against abortion, what I said was that his statement of very fundamental Catholic teaching shouldn't be a reason to stop criticising him.

The Pope being pro-life really should go without saying.

hes confusing the public because his entourage the real problem is trying to get him to stop telling how he feels for example how he doesnt like abortion (i have no evidence)

@Based Chav but there's a difference between criticism and complaining about every third thing he does. The whole hand slapping incident is the type of thing I'm talking about.

I didn't give a fuck about that one, personally.

Mate, I just bloody joined

@The King Of Moab the whole hand this was a big show of nothing burger

@MawLr really? Congrats than, but church politics will drive you mad if you pay this much attention

Church and politics don’t go together

also offtopic has died should we move there?

@Based Chav and you shouldn't have, but a lot of people freaked out because it was "emblematic of his attitude towards all Chinese Catholics" or some shit

@LuxCo perhaps

If it continues long

I only found it absolutely disgusting to welcome a known advocate of infanticide in the bloody Vatican

Until I know for certain what that woman was saying to him at the time, I couldn't pass comment.

However, it is true, His Holiness' attempts at aiding the Christians in China has been appalling.

Well atleasy Cupich is pro life, imagine if he was still bishop despite being pro abortion

@MawLr yes, however that's something that happens all the time in diplomacy. The Papacy, above any other bishopric, has been a political animal for well over a thousand years, and that's not going to go away.

He also gave communion to pro abort politicians like Biden

Woah, really?