Message from @Byzas

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2019-02-06 07:24:19 UTC  

Art is what conveys beauty

2019-02-06 07:24:28 UTC  

In one or another way

2019-02-06 07:24:35 UTC  

And is crafted, of course

2019-02-06 13:38:24 UTC  

I mean stuff like gunsmithing doesn't convey beauty

2019-02-06 13:39:27 UTC  

Nobody's stopping you from making engravings

2019-02-06 13:40:09 UTC  

lol

2019-02-06 13:40:30 UTC  

get me some Renaissance flair on my 12gauge

2019-02-06 13:41:25 UTC  

Shoot up schools like a sir

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435529023666257932/542701352543846420/iu.png

2019-02-06 13:41:38 UTC  

😍

2019-02-06 13:53:56 UTC  

If it doesn't convey beauty in some way I have no problems calling it non-art

2019-02-06 13:54:05 UTC  

It has merit, it has technique, but it is not art

2019-02-06 13:55:05 UTC  

but the words art or craft never meant anything about beauty 🤔

2019-02-06 14:04:44 UTC  

And as you tell us, there weren't even different words then, but there are now

2019-02-06 14:12:36 UTC  

So to get back to the original question, does fashwave have beauty?

2019-02-06 14:21:29 UTC  

because anglosaxon and latin weren't married yet

2019-02-06 14:21:37 UTC  

eh it can have a little bit

2019-02-06 14:21:40 UTC  

I would say so, in a certain way

2019-02-06 14:21:56 UTC  

Oh, the qualifications!

2019-02-06 14:21:56 UTC  

but it's nothing that will last as long as like the greek pagan statues

2019-02-06 14:22:09 UTC  

So a mark of beauty is longevity?

2019-02-06 14:22:20 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435529023666257932/542711649136803851/26866204_144406539579955_4132759519535038464_n.jpg

2019-02-06 14:22:29 UTC  

no

2019-02-06 14:22:34 UTC  

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2019-02-06 14:22:39 UTC  

but you can just tell if something is going to be long lived or not

2019-02-06 14:23:57 UTC  

You know, a lot of classical music was just written so that the composer would get a check at the end of the day. He wasn't necessarily trying to write music that would last forever, but he did know that the better music he wrote, the more likely it was he'd keep his job.

2019-02-06 14:44:47 UTC  

of course

2019-02-06 18:14:08 UTC  

What's sad is that books like Harry Potter will likely go down in history as "classics" along with true masterpieces like Middle-Earth, as if the two are comparable

2019-02-06 18:29:33 UTC  

Depends. I rather fancy that when the Great Catholic Monarch comes around, people will realize that Harry Potter just can't measure up to LOTR.

2019-02-06 18:29:58 UTC  

Tolkien set the bar for fantasy, and I have seen very, very few come anywhere near. Rowlings didn't even try.

2019-02-06 18:47:10 UTC  

I think Lewis' Space Trilogy is really good, though very different in nature

2019-02-06 18:47:36 UTC  

Funny story about that.

2019-02-06 18:49:45 UTC  

Tolkien and Lewis noticed that sci-fi and time travel stories were becoming more and more popular. So they did a little challenge between themselves: they'd draw straws, one would write sci-fi, and the other would write time travel. Lewis got sci-fi, and wrote the Space Trilogy. Tolkien got time travel, and wrote a little story about an English sailor who finds an island in the Atlantic where elves still live, and learns the history of the Ainur, the angels of Middle-Earth.

2019-02-06 19:09:39 UTC  

Is that work recounted in the "History of Middle Earth" collection?

2019-02-06 19:12:24 UTC  

I think it's the beginning of the first volume.

2019-02-06 19:12:51 UTC  

getting to the end of LoTR right now

2019-02-06 19:17:24 UTC  

I've read it... eight times? At least.

2019-02-06 19:18:40 UTC  

I don't understand half of the deep descriptions of geography

2019-02-06 19:18:49 UTC  

But other than that, sublime

2019-02-06 19:19:10 UTC  

Specially the dialog, which is noble and human, and not straight from some cringe worthy fanfic

2019-02-06 19:19:26 UTC  

Do you have a copy with a map?

2019-02-06 19:20:14 UTC  

Yes, but I follow a bigger online map. Rather than the ovverall geography (mountains or hills to this and that direction) I mean the more detailed descriptions of the landscapes, paths, etc