which is usually the position of the Orthobros I think (the frontier between the two orders [natural-surnatural] is usually foggy), but also the one of modernists in the Catholic Church

Sounds kinda heretical

what ?

Actually now that I read it again it's not heretical, but convoluted

As in just a lengthily explanation, like you did a good job explaining this idea

it may be because I'm not good in English

I would say that it's easily summarized this way: Pagan humans have the same senses, logic, reason and pattern recognition skills as Christian humans. Of course their wisdom and insight is valuable. We should never shun any knowledge just because it was gathered by someone outside of the Faith, we should scrunitze it heavily, but all knowledge is valuable

And if that knowledge can be used to help the Faith and the Church we would be foolish not to examine it

thing is that, the root of the problem is usually philosophical

and is related to the relation between nature and surnature

I really don't know how present this kind of debates are in the anglosphere

or even in the spanish-speaking sphere

how commonly do you hear about "surnaturalism" for example ? or even fideism, quietism, political augustinianism

I've never heard of surnaturalism, actually.

I know a couple of good French articles, particulary one called "Surnaturalism : the heresy that politically paralyzes Catholics" that I could try to translate, if that sort of stuff interest you.
One of the big problems is that the references, when not directly Aquinas himself and the Social Doctrine of the Church, are French-speaking thomists _only_ (Descoqs, Demangeon, Lachance, Koninck, Jugnet, De Corte, Gagnebet, Tonquédec etc) which are unknown in any other country, while those who are their opponents are a lot more known (Maritain, Lubac and Gilson).
And, not knowing the anglo thomistic production when it comes to political science, I couldn't even try to give some bibliography for non-francophones 🤔

That is unfortunate.

I wish I knew French, given the circumstances.

The articles are quite sufficient by themselves though, since they contain quotes, but for some deeper understanding, it will be harder.

I'll try to see if that make sense anyway, but it'll probably take a couple of days to translate

Thanks!

that would be my pleasure 🙏

Daily reminder

That god is a being of justice

Not a god of peace

He's God of both

Well, that's pretty truthful tbh

Since he created peace and justice

pretty silly to say he's not God of peace when there are verses that say explicitly so in scripture

Well, didn't he nuke a city for being hella gay?

It wasn't a very peaceful city.

^

Charles V as Howard Dean mixed with Donald Trump:
"We're going to win so much that you're going to get tired of winning! We're going to win against the Communeros, and then we're going to win against the French. We're going to win against the Protestants and the Calvinists and the Ottomans. And then we're going to win against the Papal States! And the Dutch! And the English! And then the German Princes!
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO CONSTANTINOPLE TO TAKE BACK THE HAGIA SOPHIA! AARGH!

no staying at home without socializing is a key to being a excellent student with high grades it keeps u focus n having no sunlight I hate the sun dirty bastard!” N I hate the beaches not the bitches 😜 n I don’t like ppl idk how I’m I gonna deal wit a roommate on my dorm but no worries I’ll find away to get rid of him🙅🏽‍♂️

....what?

ebin shitpost in general

Thanks

I started enforcing a new dress code for guests to my house.

On a serious note: Any ladies interested in buying a bonnet?

...what

"She wore no jewels,

No costly diamonds,

No paint nor powder,