Message from @Romanus Drevo
Discord ID: 489144150546055168
https://orthodoxwiki.org/Responses_to_OCA_autocephaly#Canonical_arguments
All these discussions apply also.
If Ukraine was in any way legitimate, coherent or united as the CSA, they'd be at least as well off as the rest of the post-soviet space. But despite being the largest post-soviet country in Eastern Europe (apart from Russia), they were doing horribly even before the revolution. Ukraine isnt a country, it's a meme forged first by catholics and then re-spun by the bolsheviks to pit Russians against each other.
"granting autocephally will open the floodgates to corruption"
How were other Churches not subject to corruption when they asked to be autocephalous ?
I mean, how is that different ?
Ukraine is historically tied with Russia, I'd even say that Ukraine is more Russian than Russia, but they've been tied to the West far more than Russia and their demand is quite legitimate, especially considering the attitude of the Russians towards their clergy. They do as if it was a colony of them instead of treating them as brothers.
Even if you don't like the idea of Ukraine as a country it has its own unique rite and theology which characterises it as unique/worthy of recognition. The issue here is uncanonical interference not Ukrainian autocephaly
Kiev is the first Russian patriarchate and then that became the Moscow patriarchate under the Muscovite rule so yeah it's sort of more Russian than Russia
tbh I really don't get non-Russians that are very anti-Ukraine/pro-Russia
I'm just against the EP acting uncanonically I think Ukraine should be autocephalous but not this way because it's a long-standing issue in Orthodoxy, that the EP will claim to have jurisdiction in other churches
```The present Œcumenical Patriarch has carefully and meticulously created
the impression—particularly in the news media—that the Orthodox Church’s
hierarchical structure is similar to that of Roman Catholic Papism. ```
So if he does this, then everybody is going to think he's allowed to do this and he's just going to become an "Orthodox Pope" that interferes with other sees
And considering he's the most liberal of all the sees/spearheaded the whole WCC movement, this is terrible
@Ontologie#1886 I'm a Russiaboo
then you know that Russia is rightful Ukrainian clay
(if you read about their history)
it's all serbian clay
lmao
do bigger losers exist ?
oh yes
I forgot about Poland
It's all Polish clay.
all of that is French clay tho
You're gonna have to spell that one out for me.
french are literal gays
Everything belongs to Icelabd
Under rule from Stavanger
Except for Africa
We're snow niggers, not niggers
yes if catholic
I once got drunk and called a black person the N word and slagged of immigrants in front of them
Oh boy
No one cared
But my friends are racist af and i tend to pick up that style
My dyspraxic self also has no mental filter
I will say things when i shouldn't
I have to deal with slightly bigga niggas at my workplace.
Which is bad because i also have a great deal of influence over people
Not because i am a female but because of the way i speak
Idk i have good rhetoric
Ok?
I changed a liberal tranny into a funny racist