Message from @ChuuniMage
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God gives us the grace that is needed to interpret them correctly
So the holy spirit guides us to interpret authoritative declarations of faith?
Because you can replace "Pope" with "council" or "group of bishops" and it works the same
We are given grace, like we are given grace that enables salvation and every righteous action
However, that grace does not guarantee it, just like our salvation is not guaranteed
So you interpret authoritative declarations of faith by guidance of the holy spirit, no matter if it's by a group of bishops, a council, or a single Pope?
"Guidance of the Holy Spirit"
With the grace of God. The Holy spirit does not make sure that I interpret things correctly
As I have said, just like the Holy Spirit does not lead us into a guaranteed salvation
Well, you don't believe that the grace of God is the actual presence of the holy spirit, so I'm not surprised that you would make that point
I have not said at any moment whether or not grace involves in this or other way the Holy Spirit
I have said that there is no guarantee just like there is no guarantee of salvation
But
Since this seems to offend you, I assume you think your salvation is guaranteed by the Holy Spirit
So I guess that makes you a calvvinist :^)
You can assume that if you'd like
Assume? I have stated a very clear thing
And you showed opposition to it
Where it the assumption? If I say that the grace does not mean the Holy Spirit makes sure of something happening, and you oppose what I say, then what is the logical conclusion?
And I ahve never mentioned the HS. It seems you are trying to make things over-complex too
Obviously
Yet another concept you try to introduce
and you complain about the ebil complexity of the scholastics
I see the scholastics going to the point
You're wasting my time
I only see you introducing unnecessary concepts
I'm going to do something else, goodbye
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Far out
How much you wanna bet this fake church will start endorsing homosexuality
On Christmas day nonetheless
Wth I hate Ukrainian Church now.
Wait, isn't this the church that Constantinople sided with over Moscow?
Yes
Yes
Bartholomew is a CIA tool