Anyone there?

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for a bit

I'm interested in moving to orthodoxy.

Why?

Let's say i got mostly convinced by some orthobros i argued with, they seem to have a pretty good fix on it and seeing how the roman rite has slowly dried in theology product of their scholastic abuse etc, i really convinced myself of the idea of moving to orthodoxy, i also do not view the orthodox as schismatics.

I see.

I also see

Considering also that from my view your sacraments are as valid in their apostolic tradition i have no reason not to acknowledge salvation in orthodoxy.

Honestly, although I'm Catholic (sorry if the Byzantine soldier threw you off), I'm rather inclined to agree with you. The Schism was a mutual excommunication, but Catholics and Orthodox are the only ones who have any valid claim to Apostolic Succession. So, by that reasoning Orthodox sacraments are equally valid.

This past Sunday, actually, a formerly Orthodox woman was received into the Catholic Church, and all she had to do was recite the Creed (which, for us Eastern Catholics, as the same as the Orthodox use). We considered her baptism and chrismation, received in the Orthodox Church, to be valid, and saw no need to repeat it.

Orthodox seem to do the same, they usually do not do re-chrismation for a catholic, they are more leaning to do so with people from protestant backgrounds for what i know.

So you're east cath?

Nois.

Yep. I'd suggest trying out Eastern Catholicism before you go all out Orthodox.

Hmmm, guess i'll have to think on that, i already tried going with the maronites but they have included many aspects that are wrong from the modern latin rite and it didn't really work out for me.

Yes, unfortunately, some Eastern churches have been influenced the wrong way. But in my experience, Ruthenians, Ukrainians, and Romanians have mostly kept their own traditions, or else are returning to them.

There are catholic ruthenians nearby, but their liturgy schedule is a bit incompaddible with my free time. :/

That is unfortunate. Where are you? What church is it?

I live in mexico atm the church is called The Nativity of the Theotokos "Natividad de la Theotokos" in spanish.

Oh. I don't know it. I thought I might.

No worries, i guess i'm going to get in touch with them, but distance would also be a problem. Thanks for the time none the less.

Godbless.

You too.

It sucks being seen as the idiot when you deny fake climate change.

Scholastic practices are precisely a rich source of theology based on careful examination and using Church Fathers as reference

@Mr. Byzantium Ask how many decades and failed prophecies have to pas before they admit their TV documentaries with doomsday predictions were wrong

When you know most people will try to call you stupid, you have to act with a certain arrogance and wit

Makes sense

http://principia-scientific.org/breaking-fatal-courtroom-act-ruins-michael-hockey-stick-mann/

The people who doclimate "research" get money by promising that they are going to save the world

If they don't say that the world is going to end unless their research project gets accepted, they get no money

So they write, and write, and create more and more failed models, and more and more epic predictions of doom and gloom

And every year,several prophecies about how the world was going to end go unfulfilled

And as shown in the link I have given, we can see what happens when someone asks for the actual data used in some report

Climate change is a hoax essentially

I mean

I think it is happening, but it's happened before

Long before we had air pollution which is supposedly the cause