Message from @Byzas
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And it's sad that they have lost any sense of historical liturgy :(
Went to a Pontifical TLM at Shrewsbury yesterday.
Very pleasant, and the Bishop has handed over the Cathedral to the ICKSP.
Neato
Baptists are Amerimutt tier
@SirLoin97 Emperor Constantine is a saint, dingus, and called the First Ecumenical Council. By Providence was he a tool that saved and expanded Christianity.
Miss me with that gay shit.
I think his point is that still he isnt a good reference for theology
Independently of other virtues
His making him out to be a heretic is where I draw the line. He could be right about the other matter, but not this.
He didn't say he was a heretic
Constantine was an Emperor, not a theologian. That's something we should all keep in mind.
I think Dant is getting that from, "Constantine is also not someone to base anything theological on, considering he favored the Arians and was baptized by an Arian."
Saying he favored Arians is a stretch though
He favored them relatively to many others
But that's like saying we shouldn't base any theology on Eusebius because he favored Arians relatively more than many others
We also use Tertullian and Origen for theology today even though they were both heretics
Constantine is no theologian, but he's certainly not a heretic
He was baptised by a former Arian who accepted the council(s) that condemned Arius
^^^
That too
MFW been accused of donatism by a boomed Australian papist but denying Constantine's baptism is actually donatist
Well an Arian baptism may not be valid because the trinitarian formula doesn't mean the same thing
It would be a baptism of, "The father, creature, and creature." Or "The father, creature, and Holy Spirit."
That's an issue certainly
No baptism outside the church anyway tbh
As long as the baptism is done with the correct formula is valid, which is why there is one baptism and it is wrotten how people who joined the Church from mildly heretical groups werent rebaptized
@Mozalbete ⳩ Yeah, but it's not a magical use of words, otherwise it would have to be said in Koine or maybe Aramaic
IE, if the meaning is changed, then it isn't the same thing
When an Arian says "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit," they do not mean the same thing as us
Mormons are peak example
Of course
Yeah, okay, I had only heard/read he was baptized by an Arian and personally agreed more with them, but if the baptizer was only a former Arian that makes a lot more sense.
Even if he had been a heretic, of course God used him as a tool for legalizing and promoting the faith. I would never describe him as a heretic. I imagine him more as someone who was struggling to make sense of the theology and getting caught between the factions without any sort of grounding
My point, as such, was that we should not take his example of deathbed baptism over the many scriptural examples of immediate baptism on conversion or shortly after birth
Fair enough. My apologies for my initial reaction.
ahem
FUCK NIGGERS
Although they only make up 13% of the population