Its economical debauchery

My reason for rejecting capitalism is (((banks)))

Brothers I seriously need your help

I've just told my devout Muslim mom about my conversion to Orthodoxy

And so far, she is upset but is super determined to try and win me back.

I cannot speak Arabic well for the life of me, let alone articulate theological arguments with her. How can I still explain to her that Christianity isn't nonsense

@Quarantine_Zone Correction: we DO NOT live in a corporatist system now. What you likely mean is corporationism which manifests itself in the West as oligarchical corruption.
Corporatism was the formal economic system of Mussolini's Italy and implies that any economic differences of the people of a nation are absorbed and made obsolete by the State.
The modern Japanese system works with effective corporationist capitalism, on the other hand, with the corporations and gov't explicitly working together. It often is corrupt but it is a very efficient system. It's important to be clear about terms.

Fine, corporationist system. Difference of terminology.

What I'm attempting to refer to is the large control of economy by massive corporations dominating smaller ones.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism?wprov=sfti1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy?wprov=sfti1

You are correct about that.

Which is generally the reason I hear from people on the far-right blaming on Capitalism

But I cannot reconcile that to history at all

Nor to economic theory

But I believe that corporatism is the effective third positionist solution to avoid the pitfalls of both capitalism and communism.

Corporatism with integrated distributist principles

I'm not too familiar with actual corporatism under this definition really. What separates it from fascism?

They often go hand in hand, but Mussolini was the only one to really try to integrate it. Franco was more capitalist and Hitler was more socialist.

He speaks about it at length in the Doctrine of Fascism. It essentially seeks to break down the conflict between social and economic class by uniting the people in the single purpose of the State.

When you can see your poorer or richer brother as a fellow citizen and brother in Christ, it's easier to sympathize with him and not despise him.

The other benefit of the system is that it allows for a union of far right and far left forces to form a gov't. The socialists, syndicalists, and anarchists are appeased by the attention and representation given to the production class and nationalists are appeased by the unified mobilization of the economy for the national interest.

Additionally, corporatism is spoken of highly in Catholic Social Doctrine as an appropriate and moderate measure to ensure the fair treatment of workers in the modern system without ceding ground to the communists or socialists. Indeed, such ideologies were very successful at unifying and invigorating the people in the past.

My favorite part is certainly that small business interests would be protected to ensure the social fabric be preserved in local communities, a beneficial goal of the state that large corporations would typically ignore in favor of pure profit. They don't care if the community falls apart as long as they get their paycheck.

So yeah that sums it up.

Fascism is the political dimension, Corporatism is the economic dimension. They operate on the same principle of unification and effective and charitable collectivism, but they operate in different spheres.

@Deleted User well, you should know better than us that there is no reason to believe the theologically bankrupt claims of a pedophile warlord who thought Mary was part of the Trinity and the sister of Moses

She cant win you back, just state how while there is no reason to believe any of the claims of an ignorant fool hwo got a huge army and harem, there are plenty of witnesses and prpphecoes for us

You can also show her how much she knows about islam. Ask her how many wives Muhammed had, or how he died, or what did he say about the Bible for example. Or what Islam says about Jesus' death

Muslims seem to think those facts and more come from some inferencr of shady sources, while they come from the earliest muslims

@Deleted User that's pretty much what I assumed it was

I don't see how that would actually be efficient at allocating resources

And I don't mean efficient as in quick or gets from point a to b quickly

I mean efficient as in maximizing welfare

Presumably it would allow for corporate entities (guilds, unions, collectives, communities, locales) to make direct economic decisions but the State would control the type of production. If steel is over-produced and food under-produced, the state has an incentive to direct economic forces in the proper direction for the collective good.

So, no, efficiency would not be maximized. Free markets obviously are better for efficiency. Efficiency doesn't necessarily equal general welfare however.

Are we talking about refutations on islam?

Cause i have some.

Two different convos

One on Islam, one on economics

@Deleted User efficiency in economics terms means welfare though

Or, it means maximized social surplus

Which is welfare