אמר עולא ותסברא בר הפוכי זכות הוא מסית הוא ורחמנא אמר (דברים יג, ט) לא תחמול ולא תכסה עליו אלא שאני ישו דקרוב למלכות הוה
Ulla said: And how can you understand this proof? Was Jesus the Nazarene worthy of conducting a search for a reason to acquit him? He was an inciter to idol worship, and the Merciful One states with regard to an inciter to idol worship: “Neither shall you spare, neither shall you conceal him” (Deuteronomy 13:9). Rather, Jesus was different, as he had close ties with the government, and the gentile authorities were interested in his acquittal. Consequently, the court gave him every opportunity to clear himself, so that it could not be claimed that he was falsely convicted.

**Deuteronomy 13:9 - New King James Version (NKJV)**

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<9> but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. ```

Close ties with the government? Something Jesus Christ didn't have.

Gentile authorities interested in his acquittal?

Jesus refused to conflic with the authorities, taught giving the Caesar what is his, and refused to be an instigator of war against the romans

That's far from close ties with the government

And we don't see them interested in his acquittal from the government

Is taht really your argument?

You are 1) foolish enough to think the jews wouldn't mention Jesus in their book, 2) foolish enough to think they would tell the truth about him

They keep what clearly identifies him

My point is that if they wanted to make this Jesus Christ, they really sucked at making any details correct, and if they were trying to make anti-Christian propoganda here, I don't see how this would have been effective

Do you really think the people who wrote the Talmud had any actual details about these things? Do you think they care about those that they are trying to slander?

This is so effective that they had to censor it

But if they are trying to slander Jesus here, then why did they do it in this manner? No lay-Jew would have known to associate this with Jesus Christ, especially when they change almost everything about him

Many of the parts about "totally not Jesus" in the Talmud are censored. What a coincidence

They directly mention his name, that he was a sorcerer, who had followers, led israel to apostasy and is now burning in excrement along with other great enemies of israel

Who do you think jews teach Jesus was?

They say he was an evil heretic

I'm well aware the Jews suck man

Oy vey goy it's totally another Jesus, we are Jews for Jesus.

The sorcerer who claimed to be God, led others to apostasy, and was rightfully executed in the eve of Passover

And that is what you find in the Talmud

Do they also teach he was a guy that lived in 70BC killed under the Hasmonean Dynasty?

I do not read that anywhere

What are you guys arguing about?

Dude

I just told you the reference

But that is like saying that Jesus isn't referenced by Muhammed because the Jesus he references is the son of the sister of Moses

Sanhedrin 43

And I found nothing

But as I said, details about the date were probably unknown and irrelevant to those who wrote, long afterwards, about Jesus

Isn't there the part where it's stated that Jesus the son of Mary boils in hell in a pool of semen and feces? like, even if you could "refute" the other "Totally not Jesus" parts, i think it's clear there is something against the Christ we preach there, and if there is i would not have any reason why i should not connect the dots that it's not just any Yeshu, but rather one that has a clear connection and it's specified to be oddly similar to our Jesus.

In thatpart, he is not mentioned as the son of Mary, just as some Yeshu that was an enemy of israel and is burning in excrement

the name was censored of course

But the oldest copies still have it

Frick, forgot you don't know Hebrew

Malkud is translated as government here

That makes the point even stronger since, why would they censor if those if it's totally another Jesus.

That term specifically refers to the royal government, which was the government in the Hasmonean Dynasty

Misrah is the general term for government

That is a really vague connection, and as I said, these books were written later and probably without much knowledge about when exactly Jesus lived