Message from @Mozalbete ⳩

Discord ID: 577916177829855242


2019-05-14 17:49:15 UTC  

**1 Timothy 3:1-7 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

```Dust
Qualifications of Bishops

<1> The saying is sure: whoever aspires to the office of bishop desires a noble task. <2> Now a bishop must be above reproach, married only once, temperate, sensible, respectable, hospitable, an apt teacher, <3> not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, and not a lover of money. <4> He must manage his own household well, keeping his children submissive and respectful in every way— <5> for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how can he take care of God's church? <6> He must not be a recent convert, or he may be puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. <7> Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace and the snare of the devil. ```

2019-05-14 17:49:22 UTC  

Lmaoing at unmarried priests

2019-05-14 17:49:35 UTC  

Especially making a requirement out of something that Paul himself was under virginity

2019-05-14 17:49:50 UTC  

Paul never made that a requirement.

2019-05-14 17:49:59 UTC  

We allow unmarried priests as well.

2019-05-14 17:50:04 UTC  

You really can't compare those who are married to those who dedicate their lives to God

2019-05-14 17:50:53 UTC  

The point is that, once you're ordained, everyone else in the Church is your spiritual child, so dating, marriage, etc. after that is a kind of spiritual incest.

2019-05-14 17:50:56 UTC  

1 Timothy 4:1-4

2019-05-14 17:50:57 UTC  

**1 Timothy 4:1-4 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

```Dust
False Asceticism

<1> Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will renounce the faith by paying attention to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, <2> through the hypocrisy of liars whose consciences are seared with a hot iron. <3> They forbid marriage and demand abstinence from foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. <4> For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected, provided it is received with thanksgiving; ```

2019-05-14 17:51:24 UTC  

I really dont get your point

2019-05-14 17:51:37 UTC  

You forbid priests to be married.

2019-05-14 17:51:49 UTC  

@Mozalbete ⳩ he's saying celibacy and fasting are heretical.

2019-05-14 17:52:00 UTC  

Never said fasting was heretical

2019-05-14 17:52:02 UTC  

Sure because that is what is expected froma priest

2019-05-14 17:52:06 UTC  

Which is stupid. Fasts are as old as the Church.

2019-05-14 17:52:07 UTC  

Nobody forces them to be priest

2019-05-14 17:52:08 UTC  

Abstain from certain foods

2019-05-14 17:52:16 UTC  

Marriage is not food friend

2019-05-14 17:52:18 UTC  

So is celibacy.

2019-05-14 17:52:20 UTC  

ABSTAIN FROM CERTAIN FOODS.

2019-05-14 17:52:33 UTC  

Marriage is not food, compadre

2019-05-14 17:52:37 UTC  

READ. ABSTAINING FROM CERTAIN FOODS IS NOT HERETICAL

2019-05-14 17:52:44 UTC  

Is heretical*

2019-05-14 17:52:49 UTC  

Luckily we are not talking about food

2019-05-14 17:52:54 UTC  

Fasting isn't. Fasting is good

2019-05-14 17:53:07 UTC  

1 Timothy 4:1-4

2019-05-14 17:53:09 UTC  

**1 Timothy 4:1-4 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

```Dust
False Asceticism

<1> Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will renounce the faith by paying attention to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, <2> through the hypocrisy of liars whose consciences are seared with a hot iron. <3> They forbid marriage and demand abstinence from foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. <4> For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected, provided it is received with thanksgiving; ```

2019-05-14 17:53:14 UTC  

Fasting includes abstaining from certain foods, hombre.

2019-05-14 17:53:30 UTC  

Forbidding marriage is sinful

2019-05-14 17:53:31 UTC  

So is divine virginity, which is why we ask that of priests

2019-05-14 17:53:44 UTC  

It is not forbidden, you are free to not to be a priest

2019-05-14 17:53:49 UTC  

We need to look at the context here.

2019-05-14 17:53:57 UTC  

Paul was just referring to Bishops, yes?

2019-05-14 17:54:12 UTC  

The context is it comes from a man who said consacrated virginity is the highest position

2019-05-14 17:54:39 UTC  

There is a difference between forbidding marriage, and choosing to stay a virgin.

2019-05-14 17:54:48 UTC  

So if someone was married (of course, to a single wife) when becoming bishop, it was expected that he would have no sex

2019-05-14 17:55:14 UTC  

There is a difference between forbidding marriage and choosing to be single.

2019-05-14 17:55:18 UTC  

So if you want marriage, what we ask is easy: dont be a priest

2019-05-14 17:55:30 UTC  

When someone is married the two become one flesh.

2019-05-14 17:55:54 UTC  

And a priest is married to the Church/congregation/whatever

2019-05-14 17:56:02 UTC  

Which is why priest's wives are honored like nobody else in Orthodoxy.