She is overcomplicating issue by attaching all kinds of baggage to it like "co-habiting", "relationship", etc

Marriage isn't for fun and games. It's a sacrifice.

You leave a part of yourself behind in order to become one with another person and build a future together.

Agreed

Feel like I'm gonna be opening a can of screeching worms once I say marriage is about procreation though

But I guess that's where the fundamental disagreement lies

That is entirely what it's for though.

The idea that marriage is purely a romantic gesture is an idea that was whored out by Hallmark and Disney.

And the whole reason that divorce has risen in the first place; people stopped thinking of marriage as being for children and rather just for warm feelings

Even when you read 17th-19th century literature talking about "love", their very core understanding of what "love" is is an entirely different one to the one we have now.

How so?

In the example above, people courted and experienced "love" in a very short space of time.

Essentially, "love" in such stories was merely physical attraction. However at this point, we didn't have the ideas of contraception and the separation of the sexual act for its intended purpose.

However, the understanding was you were attracted to people and you understood *all* of the ramifications of such attraction. ie. Matrimony, Procreation, the fading of your physique and appearance.

What people today see marriage as is an expression of that love, not as a progression of it.

That's a great point

Even on old movies they are in love and ready to marry after knowing each other in just a short time

It's why so many people get divorced these days, they've got this crazy idea that your marriage must be over when that initial attraction is over.

Basically, we have separated marriage from about 5 or 6 of its constituent (incredibly important) elements.

You also have to take into account that back in ye olde days people didn't take as many lovers as the average person would today. As such, despite the short courtship, they would've bonded far quicker than people these days could probably imagine.

"not only people interested in lifetime commitment should get married"
"not only triangles should have three sides"

Nigger, marriage is by definition a lifetime commitment that is needed to have an actual family, which requires the intent to have children. Remove any of these and by definition you don't have marriage, but a couple of retards using each other as human sized sex toys. Of course, these retards, who know no decency, or morals, or wisdom, are apalled by ideas like "responsibility" or "commitment". Don't like this commitment? Don't worry, you are free to practice abstinence.

Agreed

There will be much screeching lol

To be fair, I used to screech at that too

You still do

Not as much though! I'm getting better

One missing englishman says no

Englishman can go || redacted ||

I may try to fix that

If you wish

If you do try to fix it, can you also fix him being a condescending twat all the time? It irritates almost everyone

Doesn't irritate me tbh. I'm used to such attitude. Barely notice it

I did say almost everyone

Kek.

Did I miss the love-in?

Don't know what rubs you up the wrong way about GF, he's pretty sound irl.

He's fine in voice chat too

But in text, just the way he writes really irks people.

Bad chemistry <:thinksmirk:564102152239185920>

I don't mind him, in voice chat.

Tbh Wrath, I just think you don't like being told to behave yourself. <:ohyou2:569616856105877505>

SHUT UP CHAV