Message from @Dasick

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2019-07-25 16:00:12 UTC  

yall should know this

2019-07-25 16:00:49 UTC  

Yeah we already talked about it

2019-07-25 16:01:00 UTC  

Neither church teaches error

2019-07-25 16:01:14 UTC  

There are many issues that people have constantly tried to raise

2019-07-25 16:01:18 UTC  

But it seems like filioque is a symbol of rebellion for the east

2019-07-25 16:01:26 UTC  

"rebellion"

2019-07-25 16:01:36 UTC  

Or something like that per say

2019-07-25 16:01:43 UTC  

more like a symbol of the pope overstepping his authority

2019-07-25 16:01:55 UTC  

To avoid further heresies

2019-07-25 16:02:03 UTC  

Oh yes ebil bope

2019-07-25 16:02:14 UTC  

and trying to establish a hierarchy that didnt exist before

2019-07-25 16:02:22 UTC  

and as we can see, for good reasons too

2019-07-25 16:03:02 UTC  

It is completely artificial conflict

2019-07-25 16:03:23 UTC  

even Peter had to be rebuked by Paul

2019-07-25 16:03:59 UTC  

Yse, but that doesn't concern that

2019-07-25 16:04:28 UTC  

One could as well say that since bishops have created and promoted endless heresies, it makes no sense to give them any authority

2019-07-25 16:04:46 UTC  

it makes sense to give them limited authority

2019-07-25 16:05:25 UTC  

The same way the Pope has in a way limited authority, as in he is subject to errors when not under certain circumstances

2019-07-25 16:05:39 UTC  

the scripture says that "when there are two or three of you gathered in my name, I (Christ) am also among you"

2019-07-25 16:06:13 UTC  

There were more than 2 or 3 arians too, but that doesn't refer to matters of doctrine, I would say

2019-07-25 16:06:56 UTC  

they were gathered in the name of their own made up version of Christ

2019-07-25 16:07:35 UTC  

It defeats the point of considering something authoritative when we could just dismiss any council saying that the people were gathered in their own made up version of Christ

2019-07-25 16:09:59 UTC  

Overall, we consider that the Pope adds just a final piece by declaring those councils as officially ecumenical

2019-07-25 16:10:31 UTC  

Arius also shat his guts out

2019-07-25 16:10:53 UTC  

thats pretty clear as far as the Holy Spirit saying something goes imo

2019-07-25 16:11:13 UTC  

so what makes the council of nicea authoritative for example?

2019-07-25 16:11:18 UTC  

Hue. Where can I read the account of what happened?

2019-07-25 16:12:01 UTC  

Well, I would say it is the council itself, but there is a kind of quality seal by the final affirmation of the Pope. I don't think there is much difference in comparison to what you hold

2019-07-25 16:19:36 UTC  

isnt everyone acting in unity, as per the scripture, also a quality seal?

2019-07-25 16:19:57 UTC  

the council were universal, including everyone from everywhere

2019-07-25 16:20:08 UTC  

The mark that something is legit and not, for example, a false council as there have been

2019-07-25 16:20:27 UTC  

Universal means that it defines universal doctrine, rather than literally people form everywhere attending

2019-07-25 16:20:56 UTC  

Because if that were the case, we would require every single bishop to agree with something, and to have bishops from all parts of the world, which I doubt was the case

2019-07-25 16:21:29 UTC  

but it was representation from as many different places as possible

2019-07-25 16:21:46 UTC  

especially the bigger and more prominent sees

2019-07-25 16:21:51 UTC  

Yes, because after all it is a matter that doesn't concern a specific area

2019-07-25 16:22:24 UTC  

yes

2019-07-25 16:24:48 UTC  

so why were the orthos not there when the bope decided to make adjustments to the creed 🤔

2019-07-25 16:25:24 UTC  

Because it was probably considered something small, natural and implied, that doesn't require an entire council. Still, I'm pretty sure it was commented in councils

2019-07-25 16:25:48 UTC  

adjusting the creed is not small

2019-07-25 16:27:14 UTC  

"clarifications" that change the wording have always been done as part of a council