Message from @Dasick
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yall should know this
Yeah we already talked about it
Neither church teaches error
There are many issues that people have constantly tried to raise
But it seems like filioque is a symbol of rebellion for the east
"rebellion"
Or something like that per say
more like a symbol of the pope overstepping his authority
To avoid further heresies
Oh yes ebil bope
and trying to establish a hierarchy that didnt exist before
and as we can see, for good reasons too
It is completely artificial conflict
even Peter had to be rebuked by Paul
Yse, but that doesn't concern that
One could as well say that since bishops have created and promoted endless heresies, it makes no sense to give them any authority
it makes sense to give them limited authority
The same way the Pope has in a way limited authority, as in he is subject to errors when not under certain circumstances
the scripture says that "when there are two or three of you gathered in my name, I (Christ) am also among you"
There were more than 2 or 3 arians too, but that doesn't refer to matters of doctrine, I would say
It defeats the point of considering something authoritative when we could just dismiss any council saying that the people were gathered in their own made up version of Christ
Overall, we consider that the Pope adds just a final piece by declaring those councils as officially ecumenical
Arius also shat his guts out
thats pretty clear as far as the Holy Spirit saying something goes imo
so what makes the council of nicea authoritative for example?
Hue. Where can I read the account of what happened?
Well, I would say it is the council itself, but there is a kind of quality seal by the final affirmation of the Pope. I don't think there is much difference in comparison to what you hold
isnt everyone acting in unity, as per the scripture, also a quality seal?
the council were universal, including everyone from everywhere
The mark that something is legit and not, for example, a false council as there have been
Universal means that it defines universal doctrine, rather than literally people form everywhere attending
Because if that were the case, we would require every single bishop to agree with something, and to have bishops from all parts of the world, which I doubt was the case
but it was representation from as many different places as possible
especially the bigger and more prominent sees
Yes, because after all it is a matter that doesn't concern a specific area
yes
so why were the orthos not there when the bope decided to make adjustments to the creed 🤔
Because it was probably considered something small, natural and implied, that doesn't require an entire council. Still, I'm pretty sure it was commented in councils
adjusting the creed is not small
"clarifications" that change the wording have always been done as part of a council