or rather

ancestral.sin means a strong desire to commit sin
it doesnt make anyone guilty

but catholic understanding of sin is guilt

yeah i phrased it wrong

so you saying

so they have to jump all manner of hoops to have Mary be guiltless

ancestral sin is just our *inclination* to commit sin?

a very strong one yes

one that requires God's will to cure

so you don't believe there's original sin?

Also that which makes us imperfect.

It's why we get sick and can't bench 140kgs on the first day.

do you believe what Adam did ultimately makes no difference in our human nature?

What do you mean "makes no difference"?

Our nature is that of Adam and that of how it was before ancestral sin.

that's what i mean

that we are naturally the same as Adam was before eating the apple

Oh.

Yeah.

We're still good in nature.

But it's ridiculously easy for us to slip up.

what a weird concept

Really?

regardless

i'll have to research it further

i thought it was taken as obvious that original sin is real

wonder on which other things do orthos differ from the Church's teachings

Oh boi.

looks like i'm in for a ride

Yeah lol.

this was my first interaction with orthos btw

they are nonexistent in my area

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i'll go see just how deep their heresy reaches

oh btw

come back to the church

being in schism is kind of, you know

bad

and all

>come back to the church
Whew I got worried there for a sec <:eksdee:558283291292336138>

Also, imagine thinking this.