Which in this case would be divine Truth inspiring aesthetics.

I mean, we can be led through awe to the recognition of the involvement of a higher truth. But these LARPagans just say "lol RUNES n' VIKANGZ n' stuff"

I'm inclined to believe that you're now asking the Socratic question of "is that which is Holy loved by the Gods because it is holy, or is it Holy because it is loved by the Gods?"

@Mozalbete ⳩ "OMG these chauntings are so good I wish I could chaunt like that" *becomes Catholic and starts LARPing*
Give me a better example

That is a fine example of fragile beliefs

glad you get it

But there are actual paganists who are serious about it

So what?

Lmao

Where are the pagan apologetics?

And the pagan debates?

And the pagan missionaries?

I don't know

Of course you don't, because there aren't any

You can see christians, or muslims, going to debates defending their beliefs, or being tortured for them, or doing their best to spread them worldwide as what they dentify as the truth

Becaus for exmaple, even is islam is false, people do take it seriously

The same can't be said of LARPagans, who just take their LARPing seriously, or many religions in Asia, which are just a cultural ornament

The most "serious" face of LARPaganism would be some edgy bearded manchild who just hates Christianity

Varg is a good example of this

Gotta go. Hoping others will keep mocking larpaganism. Later I will comment on the actual pagans of the past.

Well there was a think called christian reinterpretation that made many people by force accept christianity. Even in Russia, well known story.
Russian paganist writings were all burned by the time Vladimir accepted chritianity so now of course neo-paganists look ridiculous. I bet others have somehow simular situation.

Overlal, stop looking at religions as retarded cultural clubs

I don't, I just look at them as strategies for invading the world with your own ideas.

People do debate about their own religions but when debates go on discussing pros and cons of all religions and wich should stay it results in wars.

Another camp of neopagans is basically just anti-Christian environmentalists who seek spirituality in nature. That would be the druid or wicca side.

Still degenerate though

In their case, they have the aesthetic draw towards the beauty and wonder of nature. However, where we know the beauty of nature speaks to the truth of God, they blind themselves to that truth and make an idol of nature itself

On the other hand my friend says that christians are misguided and seek for a strong autority to guide them and they are in fear with the thought that nothing comes after death.
And that they also are afraid to take responsability for their actions so they talk about god's will.

So there is a way to see everybody as crazy.

@Зигφρид Christianity has better exponents and proponents; do the various neopaganisms?

If Christians fear what happens when you die, why would they invent hell?

It's not comforting

These lines are beautiful:
> Deyr fé, deyja frændr,
> deyr sjalfr it sama,
> ek veit einn, at aldrei deyr:
> dómr um dauðan hvern.
But one's fame will not in fact last for ever unless there be a faithful God who keeps this everlasting memory

Someone who truly knows you and loves you, and whose covenant-love is stronger than death and enough to reverse death itself – not just the physical stroke of death, but every aspect of death from the Fall of Man

@SirLoin97 to make people act in a way that suits heavens. That is how slaves are made - follow the rules or you will be punished.

Someone who brings you *through death* to a bodily resurrection, an incorruptible body

@Kike of Kaifeng I don't know

@Зигφρид it's okay to not know whether it's true, but it's worth thinking about

The claims of Christ are bigger than people imagine, and only a true God could make good on them

@Kike of Kaifeng I do
I guess I also need to believe the impossible

@Зигφρид yes, St Paul says in Romans,
> Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, (as it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were. Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be. And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara's womb: he staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; and being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.