Message from @cαĸǝ🍰шʌίғυ
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in a discussion where neither side can prove or disprove their point, nothing is relevant 😉
that's why I say spiritual debates are a waste of time
Why are scientific debates of value?
let people believe what they will, so long as they're not hurting others
Why should they not hurt others?
because science is the study of the physical world
we're talking about issues entirely contained in the mind
So god is an issue of the mind and not the physical world?
correct
So god has no impact in the physical world?
he's not here, he's not tangible
No, and he says as much 😉
if he had an impact free will would be tainted
So why value god?
why value Christianity?
why concern ones self with the personal beliefs of others?
I understand what you're saying
that's precisely why I says it's a waste of time and energy
:)
Because it satisfies me to eliminate beliefs that I deem as irrational.
If you want to start with irrational beliefs, I'd suggest starting with statism
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kek fair, but there are many contradictions in society beyond just the state
but that's going left side
a fair point
gotta run to the store, be back in a bit!
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@Phobia If you care about being in line with reality as much as possible, you would care about this kind of debate.
If truth isn't important to you, then debates like this will seem pointless to you.
But I will tell you this tho:
I used to be a deist. Briefly after I became a pan-en-theist. I didn't arrive to those positions by analyzing the evidence - I just chose to believe them, like you choose what to wear in the morning.
However, after actually researching about this stuff, about religion, atheism and science, I came to a very important conclusion:
When talking about the existence of real phenomena, or beings, in our reality, **only beliefs with EVIDENCE** are rational. Choosing to believe in something does NOT make it true.
Thus, I couldn't believe in any kind of god anymore, because there wasn't (and isn't) any evidence that demonstrates the existence of such a thing.
Deep down, you likely believe that, because you want God to be real, THAT makes it real.
But, if one day, you FULLY understand and internalize the idea that the only valid and rational beliefs related to the workings of reality are those with **evidence**...
You WILL NOT be able to believe in God anymore. Even if you desperately wanted to.
@Larbi I also like to squish superstition whenever I see it
@Neoglitch17 Here's the thing about trying to make a higher power a scientific question.
It's trying to use science beyond its actual boundaries, it's trying to apply science to the metaphysical, which is outside of the scope of science, it's when you cross the barrier from science to scientism.
Do you know what Wittgenstein said about scientism?
What makes the metaphysical worth discussion?
Pretty much the point
You can hypothesize or arguer doubt, it doesn't matter, this is purely from a scientific point of view and remembering what Ludwig Wittgenstein was basing his criticisms of scientism on.
Why be critical of 'scientism' if the metaphysical isn't worthy of discussion one way or the other.
I'm criticising both
I believe both are not worth wasting time over
and Here's a link to read
for all parties if they wish
Actually, replace believe with "THINK"