Message from @NSJW

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2018-05-27 18:55:41 UTC  

idk, i think for political issues that syncretization didnt seem to happen. you had gnostics but they were a flash in the pan.

2018-05-27 18:56:06 UTC  

also, paganism was on the down turn at the time of early christianity, most upper class people were becoming fedoras essentially

2018-05-27 18:56:31 UTC  

paganism wasnt taken seriously as a religion. it was something you gave lip service to for civic reasons, and the lower classes had their superstitions.

2018-05-27 18:56:38 UTC  

generally the countries enforced the faith and wiped out heretics, but there was never really strong, long term control in africa, asia or south america

2018-05-27 18:56:49 UTC  

yup, even the romans didnt believe it

2018-05-27 18:56:56 UTC  

you just did it because it was the culture

2018-05-27 18:56:59 UTC  

the Spaniards did a really good job stomping out paganism

2018-05-27 18:57:33 UTC  

they went to the new world shortly after removing islam from spain

2018-05-27 18:57:33 UTC  

@HotGore the upper classes especially were very philosophically inclined, the strongest beliefs at the time for very educated people was neoplatonism

2018-05-27 18:57:51 UTC  

nifty

2018-05-27 18:57:58 UTC  

well neoplatonism was 3rd century, probably at the time of christ it was just platonism

2018-05-27 18:58:19 UTC  

neoplatonism was sort of monotheistic

2018-05-27 18:58:44 UTC  

I read a lot of stoicism from the romans, the upper classes don't seem to have a strong faith, except in the idea of logos

2018-05-27 18:58:53 UTC  

gnosticism was a sort of bastardized neoplatonism with jewish and christian stuff mixed in

2018-05-27 18:58:58 UTC  

new age basically

2018-05-27 18:59:11 UTC  

there also seemed to be a lot of atheism in rome as well before christ

2018-05-27 18:59:33 UTC  

augustine was a neoplatonist before he converted to christianity

2018-05-27 18:59:44 UTC  

originally he was manichean

2018-05-27 18:59:54 UTC  

so those ideas had some influence on the church, not necessarily in a bad way

2018-05-27 19:00:07 UTC  

yeah very true

2018-05-27 19:00:33 UTC  

christians identified the Monad as YHVH

2018-05-27 19:00:36 UTC  

augustine showed that truth from non catholics can still be truth, from a theological standpoint

2018-05-27 19:00:41 UTC  

so it wasnt too difficult for neoplatonists to convert

2018-05-27 19:00:54 UTC  

because in terms of the actual identity of the One was not really expounded on

2018-05-27 19:01:02 UTC  

then Christians come around and they are the only real monotheists

2018-05-27 19:01:17 UTC  

@HotGore exactly

2018-05-27 19:01:37 UTC  

surprisingly that is a big deal in terms of religions

2018-05-27 19:01:50 UTC  

islam stalled because they never could accept that idea

2018-05-27 19:02:51 UTC  

once you can accept that truth can come outside of faith, then you can respect the humanity of nonbelievers

2018-05-27 19:03:58 UTC  

if you want to shit on unironic Gnostics, which I have had to deal with, quote Plotinus to them

2018-05-27 19:04:15 UTC  

they are the most annoying faggots, worse than Fedoras, super antichristian and think they are woke

2018-05-27 19:04:33 UTC  

Plotinus and Irenus shit on gnostics

2018-05-27 19:04:43 UTC  

yeah and their "lost gospels" are just rewritten pagan legends

2018-05-27 19:04:49 UTC  

Plotinus himself was a neoplatonist and not christian

2018-05-27 19:04:51 UTC  

yeah

2018-05-27 19:05:13 UTC  

the only response gnostics ever have is "boo hoo the church suppressed us"

2018-05-27 19:05:43 UTC  

it was the fact that people left them because it was so obviously full of shit

2018-05-27 19:05:54 UTC  

even if the inquisition did kill a bunch of heretics and jews, it was a good thing

2018-05-27 19:06:10 UTC  

modern day love for the gnostics is just to subvert christianity

2018-05-27 19:06:48 UTC  

the dark ages being an era of stagnation because of the church is also total nonsense, just worthless anti-christian bullshit