Message from @Phact

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2019-08-15 06:10:25 UTC  

I'm a software engineer

2019-08-15 06:10:31 UTC  

I like to believe in true random

2019-08-15 06:10:37 UTC  

but probably shouldn't

2019-08-15 06:11:03 UTC  

then you know as well as anyone that real randomness does not come from any physical system

2019-08-15 06:11:18 UTC  

slit experiment

2019-08-15 06:11:54 UTC  

in fact,,I think this is why true A.I. will never exist...as it would require true randomness

2019-08-15 06:12:05 UTC  

but... slit experiment

2019-08-15 06:12:14 UTC  

have a pool game to play,,BRB

2019-08-15 06:12:20 UTC  

Is there any such thing as randomness in nature then?

2019-08-15 06:13:24 UTC  

BRB,,,will cont this convo

2019-08-15 06:13:26 UTC  

There is one history, there are one or many futures, depending on what you believe

2019-08-15 06:13:33 UTC  

asked for friend request

2019-08-15 06:14:44 UTC  

Alternatively, there is one present, multiple histories and futures

2019-08-15 06:15:22 UTC  

I would say the former, in my opinion. Unless by histories you mean interpretations of the events themselves

2019-08-15 06:16:39 UTC  

OK, but, if you could take a snapshot of every constituent element of the universe, what's to say that there aren't multiple previous snapshots that could have lead to that configuration?

2019-08-15 06:17:36 UTC  

Well I suppose that depends on your view of time, i.e. linearity or a sort of ever-present existence

2019-08-15 06:17:44 UTC  

there are many ways in which now could have been now

2019-08-15 06:17:59 UTC  

but one might say there's only 1 way that is was

2019-08-15 06:18:06 UTC  

depends on whether you buy into continuity

2019-08-15 06:18:10 UTC  

*it was

2019-08-15 06:18:15 UTC  

exactly

2019-08-15 06:18:27 UTC  

is there only one present, in your estimation?

2019-08-15 06:18:48 UTC  

I like to entertain the idea that there is only one present, but any number of pasts or futures

2019-08-15 06:19:05 UTC  

I remember one past

2019-08-15 06:19:32 UTC  

is existence defined by perception? does the past change when you misremember something?

2019-08-15 06:20:33 UTC  

no, but memory can exist in spite of past reality... it's kind of hard to explain what the practical implications of mulitple pasts would be

2019-08-15 06:29:09 UTC  

like, if the the all-powerful simulation got started just 5 minutes ago, complete with the memories we have of the "past", then those memories would be part of the host history and not real at all

2019-08-15 06:30:22 UTC  

whether we're a simulation or not, any moment in time may as well be the first moment in time, regardless of prior state

2019-08-15 06:33:26 UTC  

But wouldn't the past be implicit in the present? even if it is just simulated

2019-08-15 06:34:38 UTC  

Assuming there is one present.

2019-08-15 06:34:57 UTC  

Or, more to my point, there may be many pasts to a single present

2019-08-15 06:35:24 UTC  

for instance, a single chess board state may have resulted from multiple past play timelines

2019-08-15 06:38:02 UTC  

Chess is an interesting analogy, though I don't know how apt it is, it reduces the importance of momentum in that scenario

2019-08-15 06:38:28 UTC  

if I'm mid jump, I'm either on the way up, or on the way down. You may not be able to tell in a freeze frame, but the next frame will make it obvious

2019-08-15 06:39:08 UTC  

good point, momentum is key

2019-08-15 06:39:28 UTC  

chess fails in this regard

2019-08-15 06:40:44 UTC  

but multiple past moves... two pawns converging on each other from two separate past positions... may cumulate in a single forward move

2019-08-15 06:42:17 UTC  

I'm really stretching here, but if you wanted to move the clock backwards from any state in chess, you could do so with any piece

2019-08-15 06:43:09 UTC  

obviously, the neural pathways of human memory are a hell of a lot more complex

2019-08-15 06:43:28 UTC  

certainly

2019-08-15 06:44:33 UTC  

but... if a static configuration of brain cells can be produced from a multitude of past configurations... how certain are we that there is a single past?