https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI3hecGO_04

that one

I started a joke which started the whole world crying
But I didn't see that the joke was on me oh no
I started to cry which started the whole world laughing
Oh If I'd only seen that the joke was on me

he is talking about Bruce

which is insane

he is connected to him

the joke being Bruce's father and mother being murdered

I like that take.

he is laughing at a consequence of chaos that connects them forever

i really dont think the new joker film meant to be political

unfortunately the left views it as a strike against big corp

and trump

I think it was political in a deviously subtle way.

The protest signs

They gave it away

but that theme was always present in batman

so it seemed like nothing new

like when i saw those signs, i just figured it was the same gotham with a massive underclass

Yes. And yet, the signs never before said "resist"

eh, i woudnt put too much weight into that one. its background noise

I plus, the protest also has some elements of clownworld. I think it's mean as a dig at everyone.

its ambigous enough that you could look at through both a leftist lens and a right leaning lense.

It is ambiguous.

Yes

which is nice, because it allows all parties to read into it

change up who is in power and you can have it be a leftist theme, or a libertarian/conservative theme

That's exactly right. It depicts the worst of both patties.

well it allows for the main themes to stay in the foreground

That's also true. But it's still political. It's just not partisan.

It's actual art.

where society casts aside certain ppl and those ppl, when they have no other incentive to abide by society, will burn it all down.

agreed.

Right.

In fact ...

well poop

💩

Nolan's Joker reminded us that some men just want to watch the world burn. Phillips Joker added that maybe the reason is because that's the closest they'll ever be to feeling human warmth.

not from the old bad guys in batman films had no political motivation

absolutely. his desire to be heard and to feel real human connections were some seriously real themes that him home for many.

Well this is about an hour I'll never get back

not having fun @YERDADKINDA ?