If we could convince 80-90% of women to leave the workforce and also stop the flood of immigration then wages would rise naturally back to the point that a single middle-class income would comfortably support a family. Then we could tackle the housing prices with a *severe* property tax on foreign landholders. Then we'd be in a position to start discussing government action on fuel alternatives, which is not really a problem in the US because we are a fuel exporter.

But I too would like to hear what this magical solution looks like.

One way to reduce our fuel usage/automobile outputs is to tax people that live far from their place of work.

I've got way to many coworkers with "Keep tahoe blue" stickers and green new deal garbage that commute 1.5 hours *each way* to work in their oh so efficient Hybrids. Meanwhile i drive my 1963 ford 1 mile (EDIT: 1 mile to work from my house) and use 10% the amount of fuel they do each week.

But it's hardly a large problem, automobile exhaust.

A *much* easier way to accomplish the same goal is just to tax the fuel more heavily.

That will naturally incentivize people to drive less.

doesnt seem to work in california

people are driving farther and farther because houses in center of the cities are millions of dollars

1000sq ft house is a million dollars so they commute 1.5 hours to live in a 1000sq ft house that costs $350,000

It would eventually. But I try not to use California as an example of anything because they are halfway to communism and their markets are totally fucked.

Yea true it's a horrible example

^That's where my punitive taxes on foreign landholders come in.

I don't think "tax the gas" is automatically the solution to reduce gas usage though

Personally i think getting penalized for driving 1.5 hours to work would be successful

Force them to sell and the prices will drop.

There is a whole constellation of policies that have been working over 60-plus years that have made our societies far too addicted to driving long distances.

Suburban mono-zoning for instance

I don't think people in Billings should be penalized like people living near NYC or LA or The Bay Area though lol

The Federal gov doesn't need to be involved at all.

The type of people that commute 1.5 hours each way are also the type of people to not realize their fuel bill each month is over $400, they're hard to help

no common sense

Montana by and for Montanans, California by and for Californians

Definitely

@Just for youtube [NB1]
*Which* alternative is a fair question... And I don't have a ready answer yet.
The *"need"* for UBI or ***RAISING*** minimum wage (I didn't say abolishing it, *stop putting words in my mouth before you force me to drop an l-bomb*) disappears because all associated costs drop; Let's say bread is $2/loaf. That $2 represents all of the costs in getting it to the market, a significant part if which is fuel, for tractors, delivery trucks (at least 3), etc. If those vehicles used a fuel that is say $1/gallon v. the current average of $1.5Ø/gallon, that loaf of bread drops from $2/loaf to 5Ø¢/loaf (*or less*). Your car costs less to drive to the store to buy the bread.
We **DON'T** effectively have hydrogen vehicles yet... Tell me *any* car company that sells hydrogen cars in even the top 1Ø major cities.

@uncephalized
That's insane. Bare minimum, you can't dictate where people live, that's flatly illegal *AND* unethical. And your gas tax theiry was flatly rejected in France... It's why Le PEN is president now and MACRON is leaving in disgrace.

I don't think i said you said abolishing the min wage

So with macron ousted y'all think the yellows will be quelled

??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Mirai

*"And how does using alternative fuels for automobiles* remove the need for minimum wage *or UBI?"*

ah i meant an increase but yea

either way

@TheCompanyMan
Not immediately, no, but they're getting what they wanted.

@Mandatory Carry where did I say anything about dictating where people can live?

And it was me that wants to abolish minimum wage, but only in conjunction with several other policies.

Me also

By the way there's tons of those Hydrogen toyotas where i live

aallssooo it sounds like uncephalized would aprove of gas taxes but not a blanket tax like france did

It's one of several options.

He even said montanans handle it their way californians handle it their ways

@uncephalized
*"(E)ncourage people to live near their extended families... A* much *easier way to accomplish the same goal is just to tax the fuel more heavily."*
@Just for youtube [NB1]
I'm sorry, ¿do you live in all (or any) of the top 1Ø major cities?

In the world?