Individual rights

enlightenment principles

where do these come from

why those ones

if there are no rights, then you have no right to live fond.

true

They are developed from the judeo-christian faith but significantly changed

good thing states make them up and enforce them

yes

Morality is a technology just like anything else

why did you pick them

it evolves

lol oh boy

Because, it's right. Western countries are prosperous, happy, and non-oppressive

Look at precedent

Your shit causes the USSR

My shit causes America

he fundamentally doesnt agree with our axioms

im asking why you picked your axioms basically

its hard to have a conversation when we cannot agree on axioms

I think that not standing on 40 million steaming corpses of my own civilians is a pretty good precedent

I looked at history

and was like "huh"

oh so they were subjective

you feel like this is the best choice

theyre objective. they can be observed.

^

no

you can set metrics and measure them

America: Not a steaming corrupt pile of corpses

Russia or China: The opposite

Pretty objective

if I do X, Y will happen can be observed

this is just logic

not morals

If you'll note

my bad

it is descriptive

When you asked me what my morals are based on

lol

not prescriptive