now he just needs to work on his elevator speech to his mom

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It reads exactly like that. He's saying the reasons against are biological and ethical (authority/influence issues)

And that there's a large social stigma in general that would prevent those types of relationships

well hes not wrong in that it is a big reason why we dont do that. birth defects are no joke. but at this point youre not going to reverse that

ppl want kids generally, and even if he aint going to have any, someone will

and thats why we dont do that shit

Well I think the argument is that if it's a same sex/infertile scenario with no unethical power dynamic (parent and child, for instance) then the only issue is social stigma

But I'd suggest that there's several other biological and social factors that are likely at play

Without becoming the incest defender, why do I care if you want to have retarded children?

yea well i usppose thats true.

Socialists already exist, our laws haven't worked

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i suppose that'd be the ancap argument lol

There are societal reason for not wanting incest that don't have to do with creating a child. If people engage in incest, They'll be less likely to be able to form healthy relationships with others.

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And that's my duty to ensure they have healthy relationships?

we see a version of this happening with helicopter/bulldozer parenting

You want a stable, cohesive society, presumably

Since you have to live in it

i think its mainly from creating children, and by that i mean, social stigma usually revolves around behaviors that would not benefit the futre generations

This would be true, if the government was actually good at doing any of that, but it isn't

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because then they are more likely to become authoritarian and take your other rights away

Everything the government gets it's hands in becomes worse pretty much 100% of the time

nuclear families are going to lead to a more stable and cohesive society

cant have nuclear families if all the brothers are fucking each other in gay incestuous relationships

I think we were talking more about social stigma not government

he means the laws against it

@Big T agreed. But why is it my decision on if you do that or not. It would be advantageous for us to have more doctors and scientists, but I'm not going to force anyone to do what they don't want to

hes playing devil's ancap

I'm trying to understand the core argument really.

What if your sibling identifies as a member of another family?

social norms/stigmas will exist even without government

I agree that incest is bad. I'm just trying to understand the argument that it's other peoples responsibility to ensure you don't do it

@DJ_Anuz lol.

"I wasn't fuckin my sister officer. She identified as my neighbor"

I'm guessing the law stems from the fact that parents have power over their children.

Gross

I'm one of those hippie libertarians for the most part. I want people to have maximum freedom.

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