Message from @BadSYndrome

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2019-04-15 20:52:15 UTC  

stigma

2019-04-15 20:52:29 UTC  

plenty of things have stigmas for good reason

2019-04-15 20:52:30 UTC  

Nope. Doesn’t read like that.

2019-04-15 20:52:42 UTC  

The context is whether or not it’s permissible.

2019-04-15 20:53:02 UTC  

legally its pretty clear whats permissible

2019-04-15 20:53:05 UTC  

He’s saying that there are circumstances where it is.

2019-04-15 20:53:35 UTC  

yea and hes missing all the ones where it actually is permissible. distant cousins and shit

2019-04-15 20:53:36 UTC  

And his outline basically reads as if it’s ok as long as children aren’t procreated.

2019-04-15 20:53:52 UTC  

yea its a bit of reverse engineering

2019-04-15 20:54:15 UTC  

stigma because of X, so dont do X and therefore no stigma

2019-04-15 20:54:20 UTC  

is his argument

2019-04-15 20:54:37 UTC  

now he just needs to work on his elevator speech to his mom

2019-04-15 20:54:41 UTC  

🤣

2019-04-15 20:54:51 UTC  

It reads exactly like that. He's saying the reasons against are biological and ethical (authority/influence issues)

2019-04-15 20:55:17 UTC  

And that there's a large social stigma in general that would prevent those types of relationships

2019-04-15 20:55:42 UTC  

well hes not wrong in that it is a big reason why we dont do that. birth defects are no joke. but at this point youre not going to reverse that

2019-04-15 20:56:18 UTC  

ppl want kids generally, and even if he aint going to have any, someone will

2019-04-15 20:56:24 UTC  

and thats why we dont do that shit

2019-04-15 20:57:05 UTC  

Well I think the argument is that if it's a same sex/infertile scenario with no unethical power dynamic (parent and child, for instance) then the only issue is social stigma

2019-04-15 20:57:29 UTC  

But I'd suggest that there's several other biological and social factors that are likely at play

2019-04-15 20:57:36 UTC  

Without becoming the incest defender, why do I care if you want to have retarded children?

2019-04-15 20:57:45 UTC  

yea well i usppose thats true.

2019-04-15 20:57:47 UTC  

Socialists already exist, our laws haven't worked

2019-04-15 20:57:58 UTC  

haha

2019-04-15 20:58:23 UTC  

i suppose that'd be the ancap argument lol

2019-04-15 20:58:36 UTC  

There are societal reason for not wanting incest that don't have to do with creating a child. If people engage in incest, They'll be less likely to be able to form healthy relationships with others.

2019-04-15 20:59:00 UTC  

^

2019-04-15 20:59:20 UTC  

And that's my duty to ensure they have healthy relationships?

2019-04-15 20:59:22 UTC  

we see a version of this happening with helicopter/bulldozer parenting

2019-04-15 20:59:39 UTC  

You want a stable, cohesive society, presumably

2019-04-15 20:59:43 UTC  

Since you have to live in it

2019-04-15 20:59:43 UTC  

i think its mainly from creating children, and by that i mean, social stigma usually revolves around behaviors that would not benefit the futre generations

2019-04-15 21:00:03 UTC  

This would be true, if the government was actually good at doing any of that, but it isn't

2019-04-15 21:00:04 UTC  

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2019-04-15 21:00:28 UTC  

because then they are more likely to become authoritarian and take your other rights away

2019-04-15 21:00:31 UTC  

Everything the government gets it's hands in becomes worse pretty much 100% of the time

2019-04-15 21:00:36 UTC  

nuclear families are going to lead to a more stable and cohesive society

2019-04-15 21:01:00 UTC  

cant have nuclear families if all the brothers are fucking each other in gay incestuous relationships

2019-04-15 21:01:02 UTC  

I think we were talking more about social stigma not government

2019-04-15 21:02:11 UTC  

he means the laws against it

2019-04-15 21:02:23 UTC  

@Big T agreed. But why is it my decision on if you do that or not. It would be advantageous for us to have more doctors and scientists, but I'm not going to force anyone to do what they don't want to