Message from @BadSYndrome
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stigma
plenty of things have stigmas for good reason
Nope. Doesn’t read like that.
The context is whether or not it’s permissible.
legally its pretty clear whats permissible
He’s saying that there are circumstances where it is.
yea and hes missing all the ones where it actually is permissible. distant cousins and shit
And his outline basically reads as if it’s ok as long as children aren’t procreated.
yea its a bit of reverse engineering
stigma because of X, so dont do X and therefore no stigma
is his argument
now he just needs to work on his elevator speech to his mom
🤣
It reads exactly like that. He's saying the reasons against are biological and ethical (authority/influence issues)
And that there's a large social stigma in general that would prevent those types of relationships
well hes not wrong in that it is a big reason why we dont do that. birth defects are no joke. but at this point youre not going to reverse that
ppl want kids generally, and even if he aint going to have any, someone will
and thats why we dont do that shit
Well I think the argument is that if it's a same sex/infertile scenario with no unethical power dynamic (parent and child, for instance) then the only issue is social stigma
But I'd suggest that there's several other biological and social factors that are likely at play
yea well i usppose thats true.
Socialists already exist, our laws haven't worked
haha
i suppose that'd be the ancap argument lol
There are societal reason for not wanting incest that don't have to do with creating a child. If people engage in incest, They'll be less likely to be able to form healthy relationships with others.
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And that's my duty to ensure they have healthy relationships?
we see a version of this happening with helicopter/bulldozer parenting
You want a stable, cohesive society, presumably
Since you have to live in it
i think its mainly from creating children, and by that i mean, social stigma usually revolves around behaviors that would not benefit the futre generations
This would be true, if the government was actually good at doing any of that, but it isn't
because then they are more likely to become authoritarian and take your other rights away
Everything the government gets it's hands in becomes worse pretty much 100% of the time
nuclear families are going to lead to a more stable and cohesive society
cant have nuclear families if all the brothers are fucking each other in gay incestuous relationships
I think we were talking more about social stigma not government
he means the laws against it
@Big T agreed. But why is it my decision on if you do that or not. It would be advantageous for us to have more doctors and scientists, but I'm not going to force anyone to do what they don't want to