Message from @tomhastherage

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2019-07-21 01:06:20 UTC  

Obviously we can't just continue as we are right? The US will inevitably either collapse or change

2019-07-21 01:07:00 UTC  

Well your suggesting an ideal even more archaic and had its time to shine than the current one.

2019-07-21 01:07:05 UTC  

Should we just wait for it? Should we wait but plan for it?

2019-07-21 01:07:31 UTC  

Corporations are still around

2019-07-21 01:07:40 UTC  

Whats archaic about them?

2019-07-21 01:07:46 UTC  

Appletopia

2019-07-21 01:08:22 UTC  

I personally hate apple but its gotta be better than the current Sam Francisco

2019-07-21 01:08:31 UTC  

San*

2019-07-21 01:09:17 UTC  

A ceo is appointed by people who are elected by a board of directors.

2019-07-21 01:09:27 UTC  

Who are in turn elected by shareholders.

2019-07-21 01:09:43 UTC  

Ok

2019-07-21 01:09:48 UTC  

And

2019-07-21 01:10:03 UTC  

So only shareholders can vote

2019-07-21 01:10:19 UTC  

And once they do the ceo they choose gets to make all decisions

2019-07-21 01:10:24 UTC  

Only people putting money into the system can vote yes.

2019-07-21 01:10:59 UTC  

No because we give everyone the damn vote

2019-07-21 01:11:10 UTC  

Regardless of their tax status

2019-07-21 01:11:32 UTC  

@tomhastherage have you been reading the Neoreactionaries?

2019-07-21 01:11:51 UTC  

In theory yes

2019-07-21 01:11:58 UTC  

Sadly not in reality

2019-07-21 01:12:07 UTC  

I like how Bernie wants prisoners to vote.

2019-07-21 01:12:28 UTC  

But that doesn’t change the fact that its still a democracy and not an autocracy.

2019-07-21 01:12:56 UTC  

@Nucleon one could use the argument that feudalism and monarchy lasted far longer than democratic republicanism has so far and have therefore demonatrated their superiority. Saying it's a more archaic system doesn't say it's without merit.

2019-07-21 01:13:42 UTC  

And by extent I point to the fact that those systems eventually evolved into democracies, by force or not.

2019-07-21 01:13:56 UTC  

Evolved into?

2019-07-21 01:14:03 UTC  

Hahaha

2019-07-21 01:15:03 UTC  

We don’t have many monarchs today. Britain was a great example of a state that morphed into a democratic one over time.

2019-07-21 01:15:06 UTC  

any group of people can become a democracy by violently subjugating their opponents

2019-07-21 01:16:03 UTC  

technically the UK is still a constitutional monarchy

2019-07-21 01:16:09 UTC  

and by extension so is Canada

2019-07-21 01:16:27 UTC  

the UK is sad

2019-07-21 01:17:02 UTC  

really a shame they squandered their glorious history

2019-07-21 01:17:05 UTC  

I'd be willing to try a monarch with the power of recall. Basically investing more authority in the executive. I'd elect the board of directors similar to the Senate and they would serve the purpose of setting policy goals and replacing the CEO if needed.

2019-07-21 01:17:32 UTC  

*the monarchy would not be hereditary

2019-07-21 01:17:39 UTC  

obviously

2019-07-21 01:17:40 UTC  

yes

2019-07-21 01:21:20 UTC  

so in your state who elects the Board/Senate?

2019-07-21 01:21:34 UTC  

please dont say all "citizens"

2019-07-21 01:22:07 UTC  

doesnt that depend on what a citizen is?

2019-07-21 01:22:17 UTC  

ok whats a citizen?