So social shame keeps people from doing weird stuff.

(not that I think that's a good idea)

I think if voting age was the same as consent it would not change much, only a tiny percentage of people under 30 vote anyway.

i'd argue to keep the age of majority seperate from the age of consent. simply because teens are gonna fuck.

@Spanners I think that generally the voting age should be younger. It wouldn't be good for our society right now, but I think generally speaking giving teenagers more responsibility would do a lot to help them grow into real adults.

Simple make sex outside of marriage illegal

In Germany the age of consent is 14 and society functions fine. Because everyone who isnt degenerate would beat the living shit out of a 30 year old touching their 14 yo daughter. Laws should not be written like "if it doesnt totally ruin society its fine".

Also just to be sure I looked up the age of consent here and now Im probably on some list.

Isn't it technically illegal for two minors to bone? Can't both of them go do jail?

lol knowing the laws in your area wont get you put on a list

youre fine

yes if there is no similar in age clause

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often called a romeo and juliet clause

As long as it's legal I don't care. My aunt married at 17 and has been happily married for 20 years.

some states actually dont have that clause and technically if two teens under the age of consent had sex, then they both would have commited statutory rape.

Lowering voting age seems more dangerous than not. Maybe trial it in a couple of states. Overall, kids are fucking stupid.

@DueyBear to be fair, the early 2000s were very different from today.

But most kids will not bother voting.

@DJ_Anuz I will get a vpn not sure which one. there is a good swiss one I think, that doesnt sponsor videos but has good functions. Quite expensive though.

@Spanners we've raised them stupid.

fair

you could make an argument for some local elections, but even then

We've consistently pandered and cushioned teens from the real world and taken away responsibilities.

Let them vote for school board lol

i'd still prefer to have them learn responsibility from parents and community.

Realistically you have no responsibilities until you go to college, and even then, you don't get much.

I started working and paying taxes at 15.

That would be preferable, though relying on the prerequisite of having a father figure in the family - not a given these days

It's not about who's teaching them responsibility, it's the overall society's expectations of them

true, but i cant condone putting that role onto government

@@scaevola I use Nord personally

I need to get a VPN.

Sorry my discord app is fucking up.

Usually use them while using Russian internet.

i picked up a lifetime sub to VPN Secure

a while back

If someone isnt allowed to buy a gun, because they might endanger what like 50 people tops? They shouldnt be allowed to have a say in how millions live their life and possibly fucking all of their lives up in the proccess

right so have one age for the age of majority and you get all your rights then

vote, own guns, enlist in the military, etc. agreed

One age for everything would be best.