I would actually want one of the "newer" Garands. Like a .308

Oh that got spaced out, weird

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@Clive I'd recommend ether building from Palmetto State Armory or buying a Smith and Wesson AR

for a first rifle

I think that's just called an M14 @Beemann 😉

I would start with a handgun. You can take those more places

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i wouldn't take it anywhere until I was trained and proficient with it

and there are *tons* of good, affordable choices in the handgun market

There's also an M14, but there were specifically garands rechambered with the newer standardized round

yeah i dont think my wife will fly with that

with a handgun

Shotgun?

Most gun ranges you can find are indoors and may not allow rifles, I think is what "take it places" means

I'm pretty sure that's the Garand "everyone else" has anyway

Take places is concealed carry

i assumed you meant CCW

Which means I can buy it here in leafland, where it is explicitly allowed, by name

That too

@Clive then I recommend an affordable AR option

If you can conceal carry a AR you have more talent than I

**A**ssault **R**ifle

S&W or PSA are both $450-550 new

Armalite

15 bullets per sec?

It's fairly easy to convert a garand to 308, just a barrel swap and optionally a clip spacer so you don't accidentally load the normal ammo

wait

hold on

?

is this correct: The AR-15 was never a military weapon, it has only ever been a civilian weapon? ergo its not a weapon of war and never has been?

eh

if you're talking a colt AR circa 1970s, yes

I want a Springfield Saint

It was designed for the military I think, but they sold it to Colt and they changed it for the final M16

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the AR 10 was deveoloped by Eugene Stoner for the military, chambered in 308. They just remade it to fire the 5.56 NATO round

so the m16/m4 is adapted from the civilian model of the AR10

AR 10=5 AR safer!

Not!

But colloquially we use that term to describe any modern rifle that is parts-compatible with the original design