Message from @grant
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Wait. J, how screwed up was the aca to begin with? Health care is way out of my expertise, so I have no clue what it was supposed to do.
My logic is that it may have made more sense to focus on the cost of treatment rather than insurance. I don’t know if that makes sense or not.
I like the cost of treatment, because it drives people into the medical field. Greed drives competition
The problem with the ACA was the mandate....well, the problem with the ACA was that the government got involved at all, but the big problem was the mandate
There was always a driving factor to get insured, because if you didn't you were at the mercy of the medical industry and billing/coding
but you didn't have to have it, so insurance companies had to sell you a product.
if they couldn't make a package enticing enough for you to want to buy it, they went without that premium
Once the ACA went in, the government mandated that you had to have insurance or you had to pay a fine approximately equivalent to about a quarter's worth of insurance premiums, so the companies could get away with charging you whatever premium they wanted
additionally, the law required companies to offer insurance to people who were already sick, which is a problem that does need to be addressed, although I'd rather that be at state or municipality levels. So insurance companies were forced to take on clientele that were going to lose them money. A lot of that cost was absorbed through the mandate, since the young, healthy, and stupid people who were less likely to get sick had to buy the insurance, and they were enticed not to use it through unaffordable copays and deductibles
furthermore, the ACA made "catastrophic" plans illegal. Which meant that I couldn't go out and buy a plan for a couple hundred bucks a year that took care of me in the unlikely event that I have a heart attack at age 20. It forced everyone into a full insurance plan whether or not they were going to use it
Oh. So it massively distorted the market.
There were lower cost options provided through a government insurance collective, but for the most part, if you had a job, you were getting insurance through your employer and you were completely unable to use it. Pretty much anyone who made over a certain marker...let's say 20 grand, wasn't eligible for the government option
Oh. So it massively distorted the market.
yes
It’s like they tried to Jerry rig the market to deliver an ideological outcome.
it's not like that....that's exactly what they did
Oh.
If I could do what I want, I would just focus on R&D to figure out new methods of treatment and cost reductions for existing methods.
The purpose of the ACA was to drive premiums up so high that the general population would scream for single payer
which legitimately gives the government all control over who lives and who dies
I had an almost hour interview on that bullshit story
Do you really think that was the goal?
I can't see any other end game
Ok. That somewhat makes sense
I've tried
I can't help but think there were major players in the Democrat party, Nancy Pelosi comes to mind, that were stupid enough to actually think that it was going to do what Obama et al claimed it would.
the replies to this post are hilarious
In some of the cases, it's harder than I thought to tell which replies are playing along, and which ones didn't get the joke.
"We invented an organization specifically to give awards to women and a man *still* won"
Once again Matt doesn't make the cut.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/sep/18/report-youtubes-alternative-influence-network-breeds-rightwing-radicalisation
Lol
Should send in articles that the NYT themselves publishes
I asked if we could. Lol
Just do it and see what happens. Lol
This is from an antifa site
wtf lol https://i.imgur.com/QePPNgs.png