also software is made obsolete by automation all the time, better code reduces the need for more coders

software, but not software jobs

none of that deals with creating new enterprise software

but with software being optimised you need fewer software designers

its not that simple

the media doesnt understand this

there are developement and maintenance phases, sure. but that doesnt mean the demand for software devs goes down

the life cycle of software is still finite, so new development will always follow

my IDE can auto generate some boilerplate code, but it cannot create a program for me

yet

thats not how ai works, it cant

the auto generation is literally just a template

also to expand on my original point, who's to say that a bunch of coal miners would even be good coders even if they could be trained

simply a program that outputs text

they wont

im not arguing in favor of that, but rather against the idea of software dev being obsolete eventually by automation

anyone who says so, simply doesnt understand ai

and i was making a broader point about the short sightedness of their mindset

we can agree on that

retraining is useful, but theres better trades that would be more transferable for a coal miner

so according to google there's around 50000 coal miners in the US

imagine you could train all 50000 to code, imagine the havoc that would cause in the industry

to any industry

honestly with the bootcamps out there, it would just be the web dev/design industry lol

hmm Samsung have about 40000 Google have like 18000

they wouldnt get a second look at any application/systems jobs

that too so you have a bunch of unemployed code miners

yup

and so many of those existing employees arent technical. sales, hr, product support etc

ppl forget that side

the numbers I got were mostly in software

im not sure about that. lemme check

well that's according to business insider and it's just an estimate but it's a good working number for the argument

Samsung as a whole has 275000 employees which is ridiculous

maybe youre right. apparently googles total count is 98,771

you would think the numbers would be the reverse

so 18% of their employees are software

samsung has their own manufacturing so theres probably a lot of factory workers in that number

yeah, then cleaners, hr, pr and advertising, customer service etc

no wonder they're so expensive they've got an army to support

pretty much, apple as well