Yeah. And wikileaks leaking Bush admin stuff? Naw that was just to cover themselves lol

Well you know I don't want to hate the one nuclear force than can rival our own....seems silly to be completely adversarial to the one country that could actually compete with us on scorching the whole planet.

Russia wants to fuck over the right and left

They don't care about America

Here's the thing - knowing where your government fucked up is tremendously important when it comes to fixing it

@SpanishAbbey what happened since yesterday that the left and right now aren't a false dialectic? lol

And it worked. You have Americans hating their government and jerking off Russian agents like Ass Sausage and Snowden

Your tax dollars going towards silencing whistleblowers and killing journalists is only going to hurt you

I don't like or dislike wikileaks, but no one can assign its intentions to a government. Any person doing this is just foolish.

There were Americans hating their gov well before wikileaks came on board.....the whole country was founded on skepticism of overreaching government powers.

>love your government or you're a Russian lol
Sounds pretty 00s in here

Well when the Russian dictator is KGB...

@RoadtoDawn lol i was annoyed by some of that chat.

America was not founded on loving your government

Russia has been doing it since before the Kennedy assassination

It was not founded on blindly trusting the bureaucracy

What do you expect from someone with his level of intelligence during the Soviet days.....should he have been a dissident and ended up in a gulag?

Or blindly trusting dudes selling secrets to Russia

The notion that Americans should overlook dragnet surveillance, silencing whistleblowers etc is absurd

What's blind trust about verified documents?

Russia and China are just waiting for the lolbertarians to win, the US goes isolationist again because somehow libertarians listen yo fucking Chomsky these days and then they have free reign over the world

@Shadows I'd be disappointed if you weren't 😉

heh

I don't think Russia and China are that dumb

Next thing you know SA will be saying that Seth Rich was in fact a Russian plant meant to help start this whole narrative......that or the Russians faked the data showing download speeds matching a USB drive just to trick us.....

🙄

That's a dumb plan lol

Get the party to never wins in a system set up to fuck them to suddenly win the house and senate

And hope that they remain weak and politically ineffective

As long as the left pushes the fake Russian collusion and the libertarians push Snowden and Ass Sausage, they are playing into Putin's plan

>don't pay attention to this evidence of malfeasance or you're helping the Russians!!!!!?!???

Holy fuck really?

so what is your suggestion to foil this master plan then?

Would it be possible for Anyone to just look at actions as solely belonging to the persons/people who are engaging in said action, and not project them onto other actors Unless it has been proven?
I'm not sure how this is a hard standard............

Nah guys don't worry about the deep state or government overreach

Or, are we just going to keep going around blaming ever other country for things we can't prove...

Founding fathers intended for us to worry about the Russians and constitutionalists. US was never good before it was a massive bureaucracy

Lol, there is nothing wrong with more transparency

What if those things that have evidence were leaked and offical documents? @Shadows

it was all just a master plan started by czarist russian ehhh?

That's exactly what Wikileaks has verifiably provided - more transparency