But if I understand correctly, we have the appeals process because we want to give as many opportunities as possible to avoid wrongful executions

Oh, I forgot. We could actually skip everything said before and use them for scientific purposes.

Quick and painless is the way to do it. We’re not barbarians. This is justice, not vengeance.

If there is a significant number of wrongful convictions in the first place that process makes sense

the appeals process I mean

I think it’s rather significant

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... ¿Painful and unnecessry expirements? I'm in. Maybe.

But I think the statistics have improved once we brought in DNA testing

Aye.

Witness testimony was the bulk of the wrongful ones

A lot of wrongful convictions were made before modern technology with DNA testing and all that I think

But since than it shouldnt be to common

I understand the appeals process, but if the guy is caught on camera or caught at the scene, like the Boston marathon bomber, I think we can say for sure he did it

In that case I say skip the appeals and put him out of his misery

So long as there is no data tampering, then sure.

or if some guys DNA is found inside someone who got raped and murdered

A conviction is supposed to be made beyond any shadow of a reasonable doubt. Either the appeals process should be available to everyone, or no one. You can't decide to fast-track some executions and not others

We’re not convicting beyond reasonable doubt apparently, according to the statistics

That's why I'm against the death penalty

You wanna know something disgusting? It might actually be practised like this in the US as well. Basically in Germany you can only be taken to court for a crime ones. So there was this guy who got aquitted for murder before DNA testing was a thing and now they found his DNA in the victims clothes but he cant be brought to trial again. So there is someone out there who would be considered a murderer if his case would be dealt with today but he can just walk around freely.

"double jeopardy" in the US

Can't be put on trial for the same crime twice

the thing is he could be brought back if new evidence surfaced, but because the DNA was on old evidence it doesnt count

To be fair as well, DNA testing has a failure rate

sure but he would have been convicted if the DNA testing had been a thing back than

there was a lot of other evidence, just slightly not enough

and Im sure they tested more than once before publishing that story

Ah, yeah that sucks

it definitely sucks when that kind of thing happens, but... I'll always hold to Blackstone's Ratio

"it is better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer"

There's no easy way to skin the cat that is the death penalty, that's why I'm undecided

if they didn't have sufficient evidence at the time, they didn't have sufficient evidence at the time. It's awful when that kind of thing happens, but...

@aguyyouknow so as long as the wrongful convictions are less than 10% you are okay with it?

...are you trying to be humorous?

no

honest

blackstones ratio

10:1

I dont understand it, even if the evidence is old, if you have new technologies that completely changes the value of the evidence is cant you treat it like new evidence? You definitely got new information out of it.

the idea behind it is the part that's important

I've never seen anyone literally take it as a 10:1 ratio