once again

Twin studies already disprove what you're saying

yes IQ is just one factor, and work ethic and other things are involved

you don't think these things being tradition through generations is beneficial?

but without high enough IQ and correlate G then you're not even getting off the ground

I think you don't understand how what you're saying is just more arugments for it being genetic

even if you say this has been their cultural norm for generations, then to succeed in their community you needed a certain IQ, if not you failed to come of age

therefore you fail to reproduce and have a family

therefore it selects for people who are predisposed towards higher IQ

either way your "thought experiment" doesn't disprove that it's not genetic

if anything it just adds another social factor that selects for intelligence

I'll concede that there is a genetic disposition in that regard but I think tradition and values reinforce it. If you put someone who was born with those "genetic values" they would corrupt completely

"genetic values" 🤤

whoops, if you put someone who was born with those "genetic values" somewhere bad, they would corrupt completely

It doesn't matter what you try to call it, it's very well substantiated that your IQ will be close to your parents.

What you're saying is just not true

Them being in a shitty society assuming they're not eating lead

will not make them have a lower G

environmental factors can influence gene expression

that's just not how it works

there's plenty of smart criminals. They have a capacity for violence and they have a high IQ

A lot of the epigenetics stuff is bullshit

but in anycase

thats generally the part that ppl talk about when they say its a mix of nurture/nature

ofc it's both

but to pretend like genetics has no part is stupid

No one would bat an eye that you can't increase some Downy's IQ

strawman bro, no one here has said that

we all know genes play a role

yet somehow people wanna argue with it

just because they dont think 100%, doesnt mean they think 0%

Nobody thinks 100%

But across populations if you act like this isn't factually true you're just being dishonest.

act like what isnt factually true?

or which part isnt factually true?

ah

He's arguing you can increas IQ

which is just not true

and in general people have an IQ close to their parents

and if their parents are on the extremes

Idk I'd say maybe 20% of behavior is genetic, the rest may seem genetic because you bond with your genetic relatives in your formative years