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I’m Commander Shepard and this is my favorite store on the Citadel

honestly, binary moral choice systems are sort of a mistake, and lead to a fucked up incentive structure if the devs create a moral grey area. They also lead to dumb cheese. Fallout 3 is an excellent example of both of these

Isn't Fallout 3 an excellent example of just bad choices in general though?

My favorite grey games are Mass Effect 2 or New Vegas.

sure, but there's some especially bad ones re: moral choice

honestly ME2 fell into the puppy kicking spastic vs everyone is happy scenarios quite often as well

Say whaaaat

but the one that will always stand out to me as completely retarded is FO3's The Pitt DLC, in which you have to choose between two untrustworthy factions, one of which involves kidnapping and human experimentation, and the other that involves slavery

but slavery bad, so if you dont trust the former slaver turned revolutionary leader, who the writing *does not support* as being a reliable/trustworthy individual, MAXIMUM EBIL POINTS

Well I mean like

Fallout 3

I like Mass Effect 2 where some evil choices are being a tough James Bond vs a diplomat.

Punch the terrorist and kick his gun away instead of try to talk him down.

And both will work if you're good enough

ish? they flat out move to a fable-style be evil look evil system, and the paragon options often result in you getting your way entirely, while renegade is a tradeoff
in fact that's almost always the case

See its like I guess....?

What games do good/evil better then those examples?

that looks like a cat not a tribble

Wonder what happens when I feed it after midnight

I dont think good/evil is a good metric for vidya in the first place

I think the best approach might be a game where you can develop the Black and White route a little better - being in a position of power where you can potentially rule more easily through fear, essentially

But that's very situational

The Pitt did have a pretty awful choice of the "neutral" path or the "evil" path

Both paths were kind of evil, it's just a matter of who got fucked

You didn't get good boy points for anything, only bad if you made the "wrong" choice

Black & White the game did it in a fun way

even if it was binary

That is a good point

A good . evil system works better when the person doing it is in power

I think NV survives because the karma system was vestigial, so it could allow grey areas without it feeling gimped

The second you hardcode your world around good man bad man you start kneecapping your ability to address the morally grey

It’s also funny to be a dick when everyone says you’re the savior

It was largely replaced by the Reputation system, which makes way more sense given all the different groups

Did NV even do Karma that much?

"I mean, he burned down 8 orphanages while locking everyone inside, but he did donate a million dollars to charity"

I guess there were a couple quests it could effect.

It was tied to perks

With the neutral level 50 perk being +crit

I want to get back into Fallout 4