Message from @C1PHER
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@Mandatory Carry alright so youre more intact than i am
I've got my bottom fleah
had all my front teeth smashed twice
No Mutilation Mandy's in this house
i have a damn good dentist
@TheCompanyMan lookin like an ant eater i see
@Big Tπ
ive got just the pic for you
Post it
but first
I'm the Kolache King of Texas
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looks busy here, mass debate is always a good thing
it requires a lot from within
When dealing with modern progressives, it is more the rule than the exception that the slippery slope argument is not a fallacy. EG: gay rights and the evolution of the lgbtqaaiplmnopqrstuvwxyz movement.
Change my mind.
Blonde has touched on it during the streams, but it seems like the entire right-to-left political shift is a slippery slope that gets forcibly reset every so often
I think that generally speaking, liberals or progressives are more likely to fall into the slope that conservatives.
It's kind of hard to argue a slippery slope against someone fighting to maintain the status quo in most cases.
If the "conservative" position is more restrictive than the status quo, then the slippery slope argument is that we'll get more and more restrictive
In a vacuum, I'm not sure I could argue against it, because the government is all too willing to take on more enforcement power at the same time that the left wants to remove all cultural stigmas.
It's super slippery downhill both ways in the snow
I guess at least I'm modern politics I haven't seen much from conservatives trying to re-enact restrictions. Rather the fight has just been a pushback to the "progress" liberals have been pushing.
I guess the problem with the modern progressives is that they keep putting human edge cases up on a pedestal, so there's a natural tendency for people to find more and more ways to be placed upon it
TBH I haven't even watched handmaid's tale.
Generally speaking, if you have to look to fiction for your representation of the results of your opponents arguments, you're probably bad at arguing.
Whereas if you state that the nuclear family is your societal paragon, it's hard to find ways to one-up that
What do you mean by one up that?
If your position is "X is bad, and you should do your best to deviate from it" people will always try to find new ways to deviate and get bonus points. Versus "X is good and you should do your best not to deviate" makes it such that you can't really get more X-er than X.
I hope that makes sense
Yeah. That's what I thought you were saying, just wanted to be sure
Now I'm not entirely sure that the progs have gone so far as to say that heterosexuals are bad, giving rise to the "LGBTQIAA+" mess, but the logic seems like it would match
I don't think they need to say heterosexuals are bad. They just need to say bad things are acceptable.
Pedophilia, supporting the likes of Desmond
Puberty blockers.
There will always be some new sexual deviation that they need to "liberate"
VIV LA LIBERTAD
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@DJ_Anuz
*"When dealing with modern progressives, it is more the rule than the exception that the slippery slope argument is not a fallacy. ... Change my mind."*
I could *try,* but I'd have to start with the worst sin of all- I'd have to **LIE** to you, and worse I'd have to tell you a lie I already know you know is a lie.
@C1PHER
*"They love their Handmaid's Tale references as of late."*
ΒΏAre they **STILL** on that shit argument? Take that worlds, replace *'Christian'* with *'Muslim,'* and you have at least a half-dozen real world countries ***RIGHT NOW.*** Not some hypothetical future, right now, today- Up to and including execution of lesbians (an otherwise historical outlier). π π€π€¬π‘
It's not so much the lie that pisses me off... It's the fact that they think we're too stupid to know it's a lie that does. π€π‘π π€¬π€¬
I don't think they think it's untrue, thus it wouldn't be a lie
I think they've worked themselves into a frenzy over an ebil Christian patriarchy that won't happen
Willful ignorance of simply verifiable facts is also lying.
And that's not even the extremism... The extremism comes at **"When you don't verify a claim before presenting it as factual based on your supposed professional credentials, you're lying"* (coughcoughShannonWATTScough)...
We're talking about speculation. There aren't simple verifiable facts
Omission is no sin!