Fatherlessness I feel is a huge contributing factor to what we hear described as the "crisis of masculinity" that is more oft attributed to media hating women etc etc etc

I agree

I am eternally grateful for my dad

Grateful Fred

if his name is actually Fred, lol

I think men build a shallow, caricatured version of masculinity when they don't have guidance

well boys really

How much of that is guided by WHAT, is what is up for debate

what do you mean?

When we in my opinion live in a gynocentric society where men and boys are treated as disposable or deficient, because women and girls deserve more attention....

It can't be good

oh

yes, that is part of the problem

it's a complicated disease

Shebola

I see a loss of respect and reverence from both sexes

😉

hahahha

But you're right.

I see MGTOW as the mirror image of feminism

one only exists in response to the other

I have engaged with many nuanced versions of the dichotomy you present.

But the media will never see any nuance. It's Elliott Rodger/Incels, Vs. women's rights

I don't remember who it was on the other channel who was talking about rights vs responsibilities earlier...

and going back to the original subject "women's rights" somehow means the murder of another living being

nobody ever wants to talk about responsibilities...

yeah I watched that Philosophy Tube guy on that subject earlier

what a twat

I don't know who that is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2PAajlHbnU

he's clearly very steeped in Leftist arguments

I recognize them all because I *was* him

Not sure I can trust this guy

his wife isn't a doctor

hahahaha

I doubt he has a wife

But fist

butt fist

I am two minutes in and I prefer Ben Shapiro

seriously though I loathe Shapiro but this guy's arguments don't hold water

@uncephalized it was ShakyWater in response to Crowder’s American Masterclass videos