If you can find one, I'll give you... idk 5 bucks

I think we should have state level minimum wage

No federal

I also think min wage shouldn't change ever. But I think the only way to do that is to have federal min wage rather than state, but I like states>federal so I'm torn, I know my ideal minimum wage will never happen

how would you answer @uncephalized criticism of minimum wage? Also what do you mean with it shouldn't change ever? If you have inflation and dont change the minimum wage it will be meaningless in a few decades.

The minimum wage should be abolished. It is an unjust infringement on the rights (proof?)
of both employers and employees to engage in consensual trade of labor, and distorts the labor market, creating unnecessary unemployment and disadvantaging unskilled workers.
The latter half of this statement can be addressed by a never rising minimum wage since these are reactions to an ever rising minimum wage. Forcing a static min wage for entry level jobs and transitory jobs would free up funds for higher paid jobs that require exp and education. This would encourage people to grow. As far as inflation goes, inflation and min wage are adulterous bedfellows: nerf one and you need the other

It is an unjust infringement on the rights - You telling people at what rates they are and are not allowed to work

setting a fixed price on their labor and not allowing them to work for less if they so choose

Why would someone choose less?

I have worked for 6,50 an hour

Anecdotal

I know my labor was not worth a minimum wage to the customer

But your company pockets the undercharge

I could either work for this amount or have no work at all

I'm confused, if you wanted more than 6.50 why did accept that particular job

it was a vacation job while i was at school and because of my lack of training I could not get another job where I could have worked as much

Ah so it was situational and anecdotal as i suspected

but the service I was providing to the company was not worth much more than that

So not an argument against my points

It's not up to you decide how much your work is worth "Beggars cant be choosers"

so they would not have employed me for a higher wage

I think you answered yourself

how?

it was a vacation job while i was at school and because of ***my lack of training*** I could not get another job where I could have worked as much

customers wouldnt have paid a higher price for the product if you had forced them to by putting a minimum wage on my labor. If they had chosen not to purchase the product I would have had no work. So I was happy there was no minimum wage so I could sell my service for a price the market allowed me to

my lack of training ment that no customer would have paid a minimum wage for my job (or the higher price for a product if you had raised my pay)

If you had instituted a minimum wage I would have made no money at all

therefore I chose to sell my labor for a low price and having a job instead of demanding a higher wage and not finding work

It is even less the right of the government to determine the minimum value of a job than the employee, so I'm not sure how that suggests that a minimum wage is okay.

@scaevola Get training so you can get a better job.
@wolfman1911 who determines worth of what a company pays its employees? I know what determines prices=markets and such, but who determines employee compensation

Or what determines

there is a market for services/work just like there is a market for goods

I say that the employer and prospective employee both determine it. The employer determines the value of the job, and offer that as pay, and if anyone thinks it's a fair wage for the job, then the employees will agree to it by applying for it.

@wolfman1911 sounds like a pipedream

Or paragon of employment but it never actually happens that way

It is certainly a pipe dream while we have a nanny state deciding what all jobs are worth.

And I have no illusions that it would work out perfectly in real life, but having a minimum wage doesn't either, so. . .

How else has it worked in your experience?

People are selfish and higher ups think "how much do I **HAVE** to pay people?" Do employers actually think how much is THIS person worth? That's an almost impossible feat to figure for EVERY single applicant

The employer isn't asking how much the person is worth, that is for the prospective employee to determine. The employer decides how much the job is worth.

I meant